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(Frankfurt) Hahn
According to the news wires the Cologne regional court have ruled that Ryanair will no longer be able to refer to "Frankfurt-Hahn" in their advertisements as it is misleading given that HHN is over 120km from Frankfurt.. .. .This follows on from the older ruling to which Ryanair had objected.
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Just came back from Frankfurt-Hahn on Ryanair out of Prestwick. The fare was £72 round trip. The closest I could get on Midland or BA to FFM from the northeast was nearly £400. Didn't mind the coach trip into FFM which cost £9. I gather Ryanair have had a 737 flying around with "Goodbye Lufthansa" on the side of the aircraft. The times they are a changing!. . . . <small>[ 19 March 2002, 16:48: Message edited by: Nightflyer ]</small>
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and yet it is owned by Fraport who call it Frankfurt Hahn - see their web-site and it was designated a Frankfurt Airport by IATA partly on the behest of LH who wanted to develop a cargo hub. In this case it's not Ryanair who are renaming the airport, but it was done before they arrived.
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Whilst technically Hahn may be designated as an airport for the Frankfurt area, it cannot be denied that Ryanair are misleading the public in suggesting they fly to Frankfurt when in any tangible sense they don't.
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Actually, at the end of the day what most people are interested in is the overall cost and fair play to Ryanair I don't believe that their adverts are that misleading. I have flown numerous carriers over the past several months (most low-cost but some national carriers) and will pay the fare in accordance with what I want. My wife's family have a home in Italy and I frequently fly Ryanair to Ancona but have, on at least one occasion, taken Buzz to Milan because it was significantly cheaper on the day I wanted to travel and I was in no rush so was prepared to take the train onwards to my destination. On the other hand, last month I flew EZjet from Geneva to Luton return for a day trip and paid a huge amount in order to get a full day's skiing back on the slopes rather than wait for the next day and pay a fraction.. .. .Very often it's horses for courses and the low cost airlines provide what the punters want ie cheap fares that are worth it when compared with the inconvenience. In the recent past I have flown with Ryanair, Buzz, Eazyjet and Go and would recomend all of them. I have also flown BA, KLM and Alitalia and the bottom line with all the airlines is price and what I am getting from it.
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Sounds like the problem is that Hahn is obviously a mobile airport -- over the past 24hrs I've seen it move from being 90km from FRA to 100km and now 120km... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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Legalapproach,. .. .This has nothing to do with prices from A to B and back again. This is about advertising the correct name for your destination(s). I do not have any problems to understand why the marketing dept. in Ryanair wants to use the name of the nearest big city, but if you take destination Oslo/Torp it starts getting to the point where it`s not even fun any more. This airport is 1,5 hrs bus journey to the southwest of Oslo city. The name of the airport is Sandefjord lufthavn, Torp.. .. .I guess somebody else can come up with other examples.
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I guess somebody else can come up with other examples.. .Skyways from Greater Ashford International Megaport (or Lympne) to Beauvais. British United from Gatwick to Le Touquet. Both advertised as London to Paris service. Nobody b!tched about it back then.
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99% of the "complaints" are generated by other airlines or so called watchdogs. I do not believe the public is in the slightest misled by the advertising. . .. .Ryanair's website has a very easy to use booking mechanism and all of their aiports have ground connections which can be easily understood from the website. . .. .Just back from another Ryanair trip to Biarritz. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> What a swizz <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> .... the airport was at least 10 minutes and a 10 Euro taxi trip from the town centre. Must speak to that bitchy Watchdog to see if we can persuade more passengers to pay 3 times the price and travel by the national carriers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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LimaNovember,. .. .I agree up to a point but then why don't other airlines come clean in their advertising about how far airports are from the Cities they serve? Gatwick, Luton and Stanstead being good examples. Haethrow is admitedly part of the London sprawl but £ per mile has one of the most expensive rail links in the country.. .. .Bear in mind that as these are frequently web based operations what the punter wants to know is roughly where their destination is. For example when I go to Norway I want to know who flies to and whether I can get to somewhere in the region of Oslo. The fact that an airline flies to Gardengnome or Torp means little unless I start getting the map out.. .. .I have flown Ryanair to 'Venice' and couldn't really care less that it was in fact Treviso and a 30 minute bus ride costing a couple of quid. The £39 fare was considerably cheaper than the couple of hundred I had been quoted with Alitalia (and that was at their their Millemiligia club rate)
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So if Ryanair were to commence services from Manston - (oops should i say London Kent International Airport), who would be mis-leading who ?. .. .You get what you pay for and if you don't like it then don't use it. SIMPLE REALLY . .. .Just how far is Manston from London ? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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Nightflyer,. .. .The reason your flight to Frankfurt was cheaper, was because you didn't fly to Frankfurt. Simple really! . .. .Actually the thing with these 'alternate airports' is they generally don't have the fast train connections. This is especially true with oslo. I wouldn't mind but they keep renaming these exotic places after the nearest capital city. Will Ryanair start a new route prestwick to London (East Midlands)?. .. .We all know in a big grown up way that if the flights were advertised with their true destination, very few people would use them. It IS dishonest, or as they say in Westminster, "Economical with the truth". . .. .Oh no! is this budget bashing, by telling the truth?
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Well if Ryanair don't mislead in their adverts how do you explain some of the price comparisons with BA? Recently saw an advert that had the usual lowest FR fare vs highest BA fare nonsense, then noticed the last few BA fares were several hundred pounds higher (to places like Klagenfurt). Why? Yes its because BA don't even fly to the last destinations on the list and the fares were quoted (in very small print at the bottom) via VIE on Austrian or via FRA on Lufthansa. Why not just advertise London to Amsterdam at £5 on Ryanair and £900* on BA?. .. .*Fares quoted on BA and KLM via Singapore.
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But Ryanair don't fly to Amsterdam, though they will be going to Eindhoven.. .. .As long as you have a map, you should be able to work out where you are going to end up with Ryanair, you just need to factor in the time and cost to go by bus/train/car to where you want to go.
