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GCE a word in your shell like, your new employer have some very clever folk when it comes to ISP trace and will take a dim view of your showboating on here at what is a very commercially sensitive time for your company and bmibaby, quite apart from the sensitivity of your group colleagues.
I'll leave you flight simmers to agree with each other and blow sunshine up yourselves.
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I don't think tracking identities is actually that hard. Just asked my nephew who is doing IT at college (I know absolutely F all about it) and he reckoned it was no harder than for the 'people' who track children on facebook. I asked if that would be illegal and he said not if you can follow the path of a PM, for instance. The illegal part would be handing on that information to a third party, and of course that would never happen.
Not that I'm trying to feed on your paranoia or anything you understand.
Of course, this is probably just typical 17 year old male boasting.
Have no insight or knowledge whatsoever on the future or viability of either Baby or Regional. What I do know is that the crews are held in fairly high regard throughout the industry. What ever happens, their routes will no doubt be maintained, either by their present company under new management or by someone else. I see no reason why any of them should be out of work for very long (or at all).
Good luck guys and galls.
Not that I'm trying to feed on your paranoia or anything you understand.
Of course, this is probably just typical 17 year old male boasting.
Have no insight or knowledge whatsoever on the future or viability of either Baby or Regional. What I do know is that the crews are held in fairly high regard throughout the industry. What ever happens, their routes will no doubt be maintained, either by their present company under new management or by someone else. I see no reason why any of them should be out of work for very long (or at all).
Good luck guys and galls.
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I can assure that most people in I.T departments have far better things to do than track down the witterings of people on the Internet...Yes, it's possible to IP trace, but unless you are giving away really confidential stuff, then few people really care what's being posted on here or any other bulletin board.
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BA calls on adviser to step down - FT.com
IAG holds 14 per cent of Flybe shares. But the concerns appear to have less to do with that stake than with possible overlapping markets, and suggest IAG holds little hope of selling both BMIbaby and BMI Regional in the immediate future. It is expected to close them if it cannot find buyers.
The company’s main interest in BMI, which made pre-tax losses of €181m under Lufthansa last year, was its take-off and landing slots at Heathrow airport, many of which BA hopes to use for high-margin long-haul routes to emerging markets, particularly in Asia. Still, BA is integrating BMI’s mainline operations, including about 1,500 workers, and intends to continue flying some BMI routes for the long term.
“We’re keen to strengthen our regional network in the UK,” said a BA spokesman last week, referring to routes between London and the regions. While Flybe has some slots at Gatwick airport, it overlaps little with BA and BMI mainline flights. But it does compete with BMI’s smaller regional and budget airlines.
Analysts at Liberum estimate that a BMIbaby closure would add £37m to Flybe’s top line and £6m of incremental earnings before interest, tax, depreciation, amortisation and aircraft rent.
IAG holds 14 per cent of Flybe shares. But the concerns appear to have less to do with that stake than with possible overlapping markets, and suggest IAG holds little hope of selling both BMIbaby and BMI Regional in the immediate future. It is expected to close them if it cannot find buyers.
The company’s main interest in BMI, which made pre-tax losses of €181m under Lufthansa last year, was its take-off and landing slots at Heathrow airport, many of which BA hopes to use for high-margin long-haul routes to emerging markets, particularly in Asia. Still, BA is integrating BMI’s mainline operations, including about 1,500 workers, and intends to continue flying some BMI routes for the long term.
“We’re keen to strengthen our regional network in the UK,” said a BA spokesman last week, referring to routes between London and the regions. While Flybe has some slots at Gatwick airport, it overlaps little with BA and BMI mainline flights. But it does compete with BMI’s smaller regional and budget airlines.
Analysts at Liberum estimate that a BMIbaby closure would add £37m to Flybe’s top line and £6m of incremental earnings before interest, tax, depreciation, amortisation and aircraft rent.
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I hope so. Theres been rather a lot of announcement due such and such a day posts on here for baby and regional. Be nice if both can be sold and retain an identity of their own.
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I am normally a glass half full person but on this occasion IF an announcement is made I find it very difficult to be positive: no buyers in the frame, no winter schedule released, IAG very publicly stating that there is no room for them in their gang - good luck to all staff involved, Baby have their critics on here but I think they are a super airline and I have always have excellent flights and service when I have flown with them. It will be a shame to see them go 
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If an announcement is made it will say nothing. BA won't close Baby until October at the earliest. Just because they have the saving from Lufty doesn't mean they want to use it ! They will be the business men they are. It will repeat what everyone already knows. "IAG has no long term plans for the bmi baby brand and the business will be exited at the earliest opportunity and we are still very much hoping to sell the business as a going concern".
i.e. We will keep it running through the summer and if we can't sell it by October it will be closed. Everyone must realise that that is the position by now anyway.
i.e. We will keep it running through the summer and if we can't sell it by October it will be closed. Everyone must realise that that is the position by now anyway.
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CheekyVisual you are sadly deluded. Do you really think that, with the prospect of closure hanging over baby, that they will simply continue ops until October? Staff will leave making that virtually impossible. The announcement will be extremely negative I'm afraid to say.
Do you really think that, with the prospect of closure hanging over baby, that they will simply continue ops until October? Staff will leave making that virtually impossible.
Forgive my naive questions but if operational staff (mechanic, cabin crew or pilot) should resign to go to a different job, what do the standard T+C details say as to notice period ? Morale amongst those in a company who have a new job lined up is often quite good - there is no reason to be majorly despondent.
Is baby reasonably profitable in July + August or is it unlikely to do little more than breakeven during the peak summer period ?
Demoralising though it may be, how many staff actually are finding jobs elsewhere which they want to take up ? Can't really see many people leaving early to go flip burgers at McD when there is at least the possibility of a tax free redundancy payoff.
Finally have IAG made any formal statements to say baby will operate its published schedule to late October ?
Is baby reasonably profitable in July + August or is it unlikely to do little more than breakeven during the peak summer period ?
Demoralising though it may be, how many staff actually are finding jobs elsewhere which they want to take up ? Can't really see many people leaving early to go flip burgers at McD when there is at least the possibility of a tax free redundancy payoff.
Finally have IAG made any formal statements to say baby will operate its published schedule to late October ?
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GCE a word in your shell like, your new employer have some very clever folk when it comes to ISP trace and will take a dim view of your showboating on here at what is a very commercially sensitive time for your company and bmibaby, quite apart from the sensitivity of your group colleagues.
The fact of the matter is that any member of staff can leave whenever they wish to, and can not be held to working a notice period. They would lose any monies owing to them by the company in lieu of notice.
Most responsible people will work their notice period - 1 week, 1 month or 3 months depending on seniority.
Anyone leaving voluntarily will lose any redundancy pay that they may have been entitled to, had they remained employed and been offered redundancy or made redundant.
As a consequence of all that, the only people who should leave are those with another good job to go to. Everyone else should, in their own interests, stay on.
Most responsible people will work their notice period - 1 week, 1 month or 3 months depending on seniority.
Anyone leaving voluntarily will lose any redundancy pay that they may have been entitled to, had they remained employed and been offered redundancy or made redundant.
As a consequence of all that, the only people who should leave are those with another good job to go to. Everyone else should, in their own interests, stay on.
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On the other side of the coin, the "good jobs to go to" might become "very few piloting jobs to go to at all" if baby, regional, or both are closed down. There'd be a big flood of pilots onto the market, trying to fill the same small bucket of work. On the other side of the coin, closure might encourage expansion elsewhere. You might regret it if there were no closures, though.
Just thinking out loud. I'm no fortune teller, which is what we really need.
Just thinking out loud. I'm no fortune teller, which is what we really need.
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Have heard that union reps have been taken off flying ops tomorrow for a meeting... Apparently the mood at Tiny Town is pretty somber. Guess we'll find out one way or another.
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Jet2 - BA
Could JET2 pay BA a good will payment for its passengers at EMA/BHX?
After the high season flying July/Aug could JET2 move all of its spare aircraft to EMA and take on the rest of the flights for bmibaby?
that way the bulk of the passengers still get to where they want to and they wont notice anything different maybe a jet2 aircraft.
that way the passengers will sample jet2 and book with them the year after?
they will also fill up any spare seats jet2 has to fill and maybe still use a few of baby aircraft until the start of the winter
hopefully jet2 can find the jobs for most of the baby staff also after the summer season.
good luck to you all
After the high season flying July/Aug could JET2 move all of its spare aircraft to EMA and take on the rest of the flights for bmibaby?
that way the bulk of the passengers still get to where they want to and they wont notice anything different maybe a jet2 aircraft.
that way the passengers will sample jet2 and book with them the year after?
they will also fill up any spare seats jet2 has to fill and maybe still use a few of baby aircraft until the start of the winter
hopefully jet2 can find the jobs for most of the baby staff also after the summer season.
good luck to you all
