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For the sake of a hell of a lot of peoples futures, I do hope someone has done the numbers on this properly! This is a sea-change in Monarch aircraft ordering policy and I hope this isn't a very risky gamble.
who cares how good the aircraft will look in Monarch colours, are they actually going to earn them some money?
who cares how good the aircraft will look in Monarch colours, are they actually going to earn them some money?
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Is that for a commercial reason? If so it makes little sense. Fleet commonality reduces operating costs.
I'm begging for half Airbus, half Boeing... It's not worth it is it?
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Not sure what would happen if they were to Phase out the Airbus fleet. I mean they have just got brand new aircraft over the last year or so. Plus I'm not sure if the 737MAX will be able to get in to smaller airports like Gibraltar (I know the 737-300 can) 
Jet2 Have operated an airbus aircraft on lease from Titan but other that that they haven't
I don't think Ryanair Jet 2 of Fly Dubai have ever operated airbus
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Monarch seems to get a mix of Max 8 and Max 9 - and I guess Boeing will continue offering something similar for the Max 8 as they have done for B738 - the Short Field Performance Pack developed for Gol Transportes Aéreos' so that they could use the 4331 feet long runway at Rio de Janeiro, Santos Dumont (SDU). The runway at GIB is 6000 feet long and it doesn't have any obstacles like the Sugarloaf Montain (Pão de Açúcar) at SDU. In Europe I know Norwegian has installed the Short Field Performance Pack on all their Boeing 737-8JP and the performance pack will also be on the new Max 8s. It's all up to Monarch to order this pack if they want to continue to fly to GIB.
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Good grief you'd think they'd just ordered a Russian design going by the reaction of some. They currently operate a mixed bag of old and new A320s and A321s, some second hand, some not, some leased, some not, some with sharklets, some not. Any Boeing order is a multi million pound investment so I think it's safe to assume a good deal has been offered, and the numbers tally with where Monarch think they need to be.
This is the company that helped introduce the Boeing 757 and survived the transition from Boeing 737s to Airbus. When EZY rolled the whole fleet over from Boeing to Airbus, Joe Public barely noticed as a flying narrow body cabin is much of a muchness to the majority of muggles, er I mean people.
The future will be a standardised fleet with a new generation and highly capable narrow body. I wish them well.
FYI if anyone from Monarch is reading this, the B737 photograph on the inside back page of the inflight mag is actually a BAC One Eleven. D'ooooh!
This is the company that helped introduce the Boeing 757 and survived the transition from Boeing 737s to Airbus. When EZY rolled the whole fleet over from Boeing to Airbus, Joe Public barely noticed as a flying narrow body cabin is much of a muchness to the majority of muggles, er I mean people.
The future will be a standardised fleet with a new generation and highly capable narrow body. I wish them well.
FYI if anyone from Monarch is reading this, the B737 photograph on the inside back page of the inflight mag is actually a BAC One Eleven. D'ooooh!
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Hi All, first post after months of reading and enjoying all the comments on here.
I personally hope that they do stick with Airbus. However I know that both Airbus & Boeing make great planes and competition is good for airlines, environment, passengers etc.
I was watching the final MON flight on airteamimages a few weeks back and on the video, the director of performance was saying that they now had to re-certify all of the A300 captains onto the A320/1 fleet. And also that as on end of summer 14 Monarch would be an all Airbus fleet, which makes crew scheduling easier, and helos with cost base.
I understand that there is some cost in this, what other costs will be involved in the change from Airbus to Boeing?
I personally hope that they do stick with Airbus. However I know that both Airbus & Boeing make great planes and competition is good for airlines, environment, passengers etc.
I was watching the final MON flight on airteamimages a few weeks back and on the video, the director of performance was saying that they now had to re-certify all of the A300 captains onto the A320/1 fleet. And also that as on end of summer 14 Monarch would be an all Airbus fleet, which makes crew scheduling easier, and helos with cost base.
I understand that there is some cost in this, what other costs will be involved in the change from Airbus to Boeing?
I don't believe your average punter cares whether they fly on a Boeing or an Airbus, they look at the cost, not what they are flying on.
Most of them wouldn't know the difference anyway.
Most of them wouldn't know the difference anyway.
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Having flown with MON on one of their old A320's recently and regularly flying in the back of brand new 737's with sky interior at flydubai, My opinion is the 737 cabin is better - are airbus bringing a new interior to the NEO?
The MAX 9 (on paper) is as close to a 757-200 replacement that you are going to get and a lot of charter companies have been waiting for one, it's not a surprise MON are looking at it.
Whatever the order is it will be the next decade before MAX's in MON colours start showing up as the backlog is pretty high now and boeing have not even finished the production building. Maybe some 737NG's offered to bridge the gap? As MON have only just taken delivery of some new buses maybe the 7+ year wait suits them anyway
The MAX 9 (on paper) is as close to a 757-200 replacement that you are going to get and a lot of charter companies have been waiting for one, it's not a surprise MON are looking at it.
Whatever the order is it will be the next decade before MAX's in MON colours start showing up as the backlog is pretty high now and boeing have not even finished the production building. Maybe some 737NG's offered to bridge the gap? As MON have only just taken delivery of some new buses maybe the 7+ year wait suits them anyway
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The MAX should be available barring any development snags with the new engines in late 2017, but they have a large order back log, could it be that deposit money for the cancelled 787 order will allow early production slots?
GIB shouldn't be a problem if the SFP kit is spec'd
Maybe some late model NG to fill the gap?, but still surprised they didn't stay with Airbus.....any news on the C series?
GIB shouldn't be a problem if the SFP kit is spec'd
Maybe some late model NG to fill the gap?, but still surprised they didn't stay with Airbus.....any news on the C series?
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Great shame if they buy the 737. The A320 family is a much nicer a/c to fly on, as a frequent user BHX-FRA with LH the difference is notable and I always prefer the A320 option. It would influence me where there are alternatives for sure. In addition with the A320 it's supporting jobs here in the UK and the rest of the EU, another plus point too.
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Level bust is spot on
Nothing to pick and choose between the 320/738 on interiors and the sky interior is now production standard, a lot depends on how many seats an operator plans to put in. 189 on the 738 is a bit tight 186 works well even if your nudging 2m tall
I doubt that 99% of pax are aware of aircraft type when booking, why should they be?
I doubt that 99% of pax are aware of aircraft type when booking, why should they be?
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I doubt that 99% of pax are unaware of aircraft type when booking , why should they be?
Maybe because along came the Dreamliner!!you would be surprised how many people are still reluctant to fly on one.
Don't underestimate the general public when it comes to Favourite airlines to fly with and/or A/C type.
Maybe because along came the Dreamliner!!you would be surprised how many people are still reluctant to fly on one.
Don't underestimate the general public when it comes to Favourite airlines to fly with and/or A/C type.
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Nope. The majority are oblivious , the rest are keen to try it. I doubt airlines are losing sleep over a tiny minority who may chose not to fly it. I would be surprised indeed if that was the case.
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RYR operate 738s onto some runways with less than 6000' without performance kits, but that is on flights of only a couple of hours and in the temperate north of Europe. I don't think the 73 will have any issues at GIB. As for comments about the 73 cabin vs 320, the Max cabins are more akin to the 787's and are leagues ahead of the current 320s, so that comparison is not really a fair one, especially as so much is down to customer specification, not the manufacturer.
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Monarch has discretely released its financial report.
This can be found at the bottom of the home page of :
The site is The Monarch Group - Home
One interesting point ....thee highest paid director saw his wage grow from £646.000 to £1.103.000....a whopping 70% increase!
This can be found at the bottom of the home page of :
The site is The Monarch Group - Home
One interesting point ....thee highest paid director saw his wage grow from £646.000 to £1.103.000....a whopping 70% increase!
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One or two of the comments above suggest that people actually would choose another airline because Monarch are flying Boeings instead of Airbuses.
Really?
Other than aerogeeks of the type that frequent this forum, no-one cares in the real world.
I don't think Monarch will be losing any sleep or revenue.
Price / convenience / service / flight times - all these things matter.
Whether it's Boeing Max or an Airbus Neo is going to be a long way down the list, if it's even on it at all.
And as for the comment 'I do hope someone has done the numbers.....' well what do you think? And what a stupid comment.
Do you really think the management team has just gone in to the showroom and browsed through an aeroplane brochure, kicked the tyres and said 'what sort of deal can you do for us?'
Of course they've done the numbers.
Really?
Other than aerogeeks of the type that frequent this forum, no-one cares in the real world.
I don't think Monarch will be losing any sleep or revenue.
Price / convenience / service / flight times - all these things matter.
Whether it's Boeing Max or an Airbus Neo is going to be a long way down the list, if it's even on it at all.
And as for the comment 'I do hope someone has done the numbers.....' well what do you think? And what a stupid comment.
Do you really think the management team has just gone in to the showroom and browsed through an aeroplane brochure, kicked the tyres and said 'what sort of deal can you do for us?'
Of course they've done the numbers.