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Old 16th Feb 2015, 14:16
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very strange wording on the NQY press release regarding the increase in the STN filghts.............


Flybe boosts Stansted summer flights to and from Newquay

Monday, 16 February, 2015 Europe’s leading regional airline will now fly daily to London Stansted during peak summer season
Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline, has added eight more flights to its brand new peak summer service between Newquay Cornwall and London Stansted airports, meaning that Cornwall customers now have the choice of a daily service on this key leisure route that will operate from 16th May through to 29th September, 2015.
Flights will operate as follows:
Mon-Fri
Depart Newquay (NQY) 1345 Arr Stansted (STN) 1510
Dep STN 1535 Arr NQY 1655
Sat/Sun
Dep NQY 1100 Arr STN 1225
Dep STN 1250 Arr NQY 1410
One way fares are from £29.99 including taxes and charges and available for booking at www.flybe.com
Paul Simmons, Flybe’s Chief Commercial Officer, comments: "We are pleased to add these additional flights to this new leisure route. Bolstering connectivity is our number one aim at Flybe.”
Newquay Cornwall Managing Director, Al Titterington, adds: “Flybe’s decision to increase its Stansted service to a daily frequency will further enhance the connectivity to this new destination and an unserved area to the north-east of London. It offers accessibility to Cornwall by air to those leisure travellers who would not normally fly. The increased capacity will also offer greater flexibility for those passengers looking for a short break.”
Flybe’s 2015 Summer schedule to and from Newquay features seven routes with a total choice of up to 92 flights a week.


Don't people actually read these things first ?


To answer the previously raised question, iv no idea about the operation of UAVs, however anything to offset the cost of running a commercial airfield should surely be a good thing ?




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Old 17th Feb 2015, 10:46
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So provisional jan15 stats are looking impressive.
MAN +%83 3177
LGW +%48 7730

Now LGW is 3 daily dh8 and MAN 1 daily dh8, the question is how long before MAN goes proper two daily. I know it's currently from feb 8 weekly rising to 10 weekly for summer but looks like demand for say morning and evening ?


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Old 18th Feb 2015, 12:12
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Bearing in mind that Brittany Ferries operates a daily (and sometimes twice daily) service between Plymouth and Roscoff with a ship that can carry up to 1500 people, a twice daily service from Newquay to Brittany would surely work? Brest is the obvious choice, but St. Brieuc is another.
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Old 18th Feb 2015, 13:36
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Skybus operated Newquay-St Brieuc a few years ago, not sure how successful it was.

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Old 18th Feb 2015, 15:08
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Skybus St Brieuc

Was 4 x weekly and then 2 x weekly and then dropped all together - in 2009 flights were £79 each way - how does this compare with the ferry fares? The route carried over 1,000 pax in 2008.

A ferry from Plymouth has a much larger audience then NQY's catchment - one of major things about ferries are that you can take a car (and caravan)!

Interestingly at the end of the 2009 season when asked if the route (NQY-SBK) was profitable the ex-CEO of ISSCo said:

"All new routes go through a period of time when the investment is high at the beginning and then settles down. Primarily our problem has been more to do with the airport in France. St Brieuc is twinned with an airport at Lannion, and they are encouraging us to think of going to Lannion, which we’re evaluating at the moment. It’s actually ten minutes more flying time. The funny thing about flying to France is we can’t fly straight. If we could, it would be a breeze, but we have to fly around the military no fly zone. Lannion is ten minutes longer in journey, but is actually shorter as the crow flies. But it has a good link to Paris, so it’s a good airport."

Bearing in mind SBK's only scheduled service was the link to NQY, you can see why they maybe suggested moving - to my mind Brest would have made more sense. Although I doubt in the future if any NQY - France routes will operate - Flybe are much too big for any such route and I don't think Skybus would operate any again, their focus always has been Isles of Scilly.

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Old 19th Feb 2015, 15:16
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nqy-france

wouldn't a flybe NQY-CDG codeshared with AF be more viable ?


that way it would allow onward connections to many of the French regional airports as well as longhaul onward connections ?




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Old 19th Feb 2015, 18:50
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There is a proposal on Newquay's table for just such a service, but to date there has been no response from the airport (apart from the guys and gals who answer the 'phone and take a message). Looks like the Bretons - and the Irish - will be alighting in Devon rather than Cornwall.

(Not much point in charging a Development Fee if you don't bother giving passengers a reason to pay it )
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Old 21st Feb 2015, 10:07
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Flybe NQY

Slight change in the schedule today with MAN being operated between the 2 LGW rotations instead of LGW, LGW, MAN:

NQY-LGW-NQY 07:25-10:35
NQY-MAN-NQY 11:05-14:15
NQY-LGW-NQY 14:55-17:50
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Old 21st Feb 2015, 10:10
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Maybe they should offer the VVSR a basing option for those Bears - think of the fuel they'd save!!!
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Old 23rd Feb 2015, 11:54
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We use the ferry from Plymouth to Roscoff ferry a couple of times a year but I don't think our 4 tonne motorhome would fit in a dash 8. I might use Newquay to Paris though to access the rest of the World that do not go from Gatwick.
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Old 24th Feb 2015, 00:42
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That is what NQY needs Groundhog
Worldwide connectivity.


LHR, or CDG or AMS really are the needed links, one of them.....


I was hopeful when DUB was announced, however the timings of the route don't allow any connections at all


LGW does and its nice to see, as does MAN, but I really do think demand exists for MAN to be at least twice daily with a morning and evening departure which would allow decent onward connections over the flybe network and its interline partners.




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Old 24th Feb 2015, 20:37
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LHR, or CDG or AMS really are the needed links, one of them.....
Like at all the smaller UK airports a link to LHR is desperately needed at NQY, but in the absence of expansion at LHR, regretably, it's a case of.....forget it.
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Old 25th Feb 2015, 16:42
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is ANY airline willing to give a cast -iron guarantee they will preserve/restore links from an expanded LHR to UK regional airports?

Or will that be a "commercial decision" once it is built??

I know what will happen.......... hourly flights to JFK and nothing for the regions
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Old 25th Feb 2015, 17:35
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Isn't there some sort of slots ringfenced by LHR operator for regional services specifying NQY in the event R3 was build.

That's what has previously been reported by press and the md of NQY.


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Old 25th Feb 2015, 17:55
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Interestingly in the LHR vs LGW runway debate on Sky News on Monday in the question and answer section of the programme, Flybe tweeted a question asking what LHR/LGW would do to support regional connectivity? There wasn't really a definitive answer but the LHR CEO said that without the extra capacity, airlines like Flybe/Easyjet won't be able to fly from LHZr and they won't to be able to compete with other airports. He also mentioned something about flights to Scotland and the Isle of Man.

Personally I can't see a turboprop service into LHR if NQY does get ring fenced slots, a double daily jet service would be better. If LGW gets a second runway then regional connectivity isn't really going to change as most airports are already connected (NQY, GCI, JER, IOM...)
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Old 26th Feb 2015, 14:29
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Frank

is ANY airline willing to give a cast -iron guarantee they will preserve/restore links from an expanded LHR to UK regional airports?

Or will that be a "commercial decision" once it is built??

I know what will happen.......... hourly flights to JFK and nothing for the regions
Hopefully not like Call-Me-Dave's "cast-iron" guarantee on a referendum on the Lisbon treaty.

As for more JFK, it's unlikely, there’s already hourly flights at the times they’re needed, and in any event extra longhaul flights still need feeders.

What you forget is that with LHR expansion, there will be loads of new free slots available, enough for small operators to/from smaller airports like NQY and for new longhaul to the emerging fast-growing economies in S. America, Asia, Africa, etc.. Many haven’t yet realised that a third rwy is a whole new ball-game.

In the long term road and rail will become even more congested, overcrowded and expensive, and this will give a boost to domestic air services to/from airports like NQY and others. The ability to also feed longhaul will make an expanded LHR the London airport of choice for these.


Isn't there some sort of slots ringfenced by LHR operator for regional services specifying NQY in the event R3 was build.

That's what has previously been reported by press and the md of NQY.


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Yes, NQY is on Heathrow Ltd.'s list of potential extra domestic links along with CWL, EXT, HUY, INV, JER and LPL (page 14, "Taking Britain Further), but surprisingly, not IOM.

It’s been raised in Parliament several times and is a sensible idea. Suspect such provisions would be there, and need to be there, as a condition for LHR expansion.

Interestingly in the LHR vs LGW runway debate on Sky News on Monday in the question and answer section of the programme, Flybe tweeted a question asking what LHR/LGW would do to support regional connectivity? There wasn't really a definitive answer but the LHR CEO said that without the extra capacity, airlines like Flybe/Easyjet won't be able to fly from LHZr and they won't to be able to compete with other airports. He also mentioned something about flights to Scotland and the Isle of Man.
Missed the debate unfortunately. U2 have stated that with expansion at LHR, it will be there, and would expect to see BE and BD regional there as well.

Clearly, without expansion, the status quo will prevail. LHR management has set up a “task force” on regional capacity, let’s see what that comes up with….


Personally I can't see a turboprop service into LHR if NQY does get ring fenced slots, a double daily jet service would be better. If LGW gets a second runway then regional connectivity isn't really going to change as most airports are already connected (NQY, GCI, JER, IOM...)
Turboprop or jet does not matter, it will probably depend on the loads. It’s important to have a link. An ideal route for BE perhaps (it has both types).

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Old 26th Feb 2015, 15:53
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I am sorry people, but can we refrain from all this verbal diarrhoea about connecting Newquay and other regional airports to Heathrow when a third runway is built. It is not going to happen it is a political and planning nightmare for which ever party is in control or not - maybe the Scots Nats? heaven forbid.
Let me say I am all for having a third runway at Heathrow it is the only logical conclusion in my humble opinion but as most of us know we did have a third runway until somebody decided to build Terminal 4 at one end of it.
So can we move on to some practical discussions please.
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Old 26th Feb 2015, 16:15
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I am sorry people, but can we refrain from all this verbal diarrhoea about connecting Newquay and other regional airports to Heathrow when a third runway is built. It is not going to happen it is a political and planning nightmare for which ever party is in control or not - maybe the Scots Nats? heaven forbid.
Obviously the subject is hypothetical as the indecison and dithering will continue, but contributors want to discuss it.

Just because you appear not to understand, it is unkind of you to refer to it as verbal diarrhoea. Perhaps try reading it again? slowly?

Let me say I am all for having a third runway at Heathrow it is the only logical conclusion in my humble opinion but as most of us know we did have a third runway until somebody decided to build Terminal 4 at one end of it.
So can we move on to some practical discussions please.
The former third rwy you refer to was a cross rwy and could not be used simultaneously with the two main rwys and was effectively surplus to requirement. Consequently it was never used once aircraft were capable of taking off/landing in crosswinds.

It was rightly scrapped in favour of an extra terminal.
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Old 27th Feb 2015, 10:28
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With the LHR domestic debate it is worth considering that NQY-LGW was operating 2 daily and now 3 daily on a DH8 and isn't really that far behind in terms of passenger numbers compared to LBA-LHR which operates 3 daily on the A319.




Not that BA would, but If R3 was built and if they ran a 3 daily Airbus on LHR-NQY the numbers would no doubt increase based purely on the fact that a LHR link operated by BA or with a BA codeshare would offer connections onto the entire BA and OW network for both outgoing and incoming passengers.


Just jump on FGW at Plymouth and see how many customers are heading into Cornwall with bags tagged to LHR............


That's not to say that NQY-LHR would be a viable and profitable route, just that I feel that LHR-NQY would carry a higher passenger load compared to LGW-NQY


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Old 27th Feb 2015, 12:41
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so your answer Frank is NO

no-one will guarantee regional connectivity from an enlarged LHR

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