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REH is still as is, but REI has had an interior upgrade. All the 42s were repainted with the exception of EHH, (which Ive heard is going back very soon).
First of the 600s due to arrive in early 2013. I think both SLN and SLL will be the first to be chopped.
Your right about the 42s, they do seem to go tech all the time, probably due to low level of automation in them, no EECs, leaving the pilots to set torque manually! This has led to a lot of money spent this year on overtorques!
First of the 600s due to arrive in early 2013. I think both SLN and SLL will be the first to be chopped.
Your right about the 42s, they do seem to go tech all the time, probably due to low level of automation in them, no EECs, leaving the pilots to set torque manually! This has led to a lot of money spent this year on overtorques!
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thats very true,infact i heard a few grumbles from other passengers who must use them regularly complaining about the reliability issues.
for me personally it wasn't a big problem as i was returning from a weekend break and didnt have to go to work the next day,so i was happy to sink a couple more pints of guiness
. but id imagine it cant have been much fun for the business travellers who had to go to work the next day after arriving back at man at gone midnight.
(forgot to add in my first post) a few spare seats on outward journey and full load on return.
thats very true,infact i heard a few grumbles from other passengers who must use them regularly complaining about the reliability issues.
for me personally it wasn't a big problem as i was returning from a weekend break and didnt have to go to work the next day,so i was happy to sink a couple more pints of guiness
. but id imagine it cant have been much fun for the business travellers who had to go to work the next day after arriving back at man at gone midnight.(forgot to add in my first post) a few spare seats on outward journey and full load on return.
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Can confirm that REI has had new seats installed. They are much better than those new ones installed on some of the 42's. They are the same design as those on the new 72-600's and recline. I guess that means that we shall see REI & REH for a good bit longer. It maybe coincidence but I haven't seen REH this week so may be in for refit. Presumably EI paint will follow. It probably makes sense as from what I remember of the SLx class there lease is coming up next year? Maybe wrong on that. That said, the reliability of the 201s is greater, they are more favoured with pilots and I have a feeling that they are owned by Arann? If I was EIR, when the new 600's are available, I would use the two 201's as low cost standbys, and dispose of the american birds. As for the 42's I can't imagine them being dispensed with. There are a number of routes that only call for a 42....so why increase the cost of these routes by putting on a more expensive a/c to run and land. They would also need the cost of putting another cabin crew onboard. Also why would they have painted CBK? It has to be staying.
Whilst on the subjects of seating, if anyone is planning to travel EIR, then avoid seat 15A on EI-REH (Constant drip on your head throughout the flight - observed for many months now) and 16A on EI-SLL (Broken back - it only supports one side of the upright so you are constantly stuck at an uncomfortable angle. Also row 18 on SLL & SLM are rather uncomfortable as they have been shoved in. They don't recline and are a lot more upright, plus you dont have a reading light.
Whilst on the subjects of seating, if anyone is planning to travel EIR, then avoid seat 15A on EI-REH (Constant drip on your head throughout the flight - observed for many months now) and 16A on EI-SLL (Broken back - it only supports one side of the upright so you are constantly stuck at an uncomfortable angle. Also row 18 on SLL & SLM are rather uncomfortable as they have been shoved in. They don't recline and are a lot more upright, plus you dont have a reading light.
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Wikipedia
The Wikipedia pages for both Cork and Shannon Airports are this morning showing all EI Regional flights as ending 30Mar13. I assume this is not the case and someone has made this assumption based on the fact that the EI Regional timetables for summer 13 are not yet published and they have been published for EI mainline?
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Usual PR twaddle,
Wonder why they did not highlight that they are selling one of their 500 to get some cash in. Waterford base closing due to lack of aircraft and not just route performance.
When you drop a sucessful Luton service for Southend what do you expect?
It was clear from this evaluation that our Waterford routes have not performed to a sustainable level.
When you drop a sucessful Luton service for Southend what do you expect?
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WAT figures have been falling this year, but still a surprise. I guess RE experiment has served it's purpose at SEN, can't help but think they LTN alone could have thrived, airport statment says as much...
http://www.waterfordairport.ie/index...243&Itemid=200.
Leaving just 1 route from WAT BE - BHX who will be their last hope now to take over LTN. If not this could be the end for WAT, they have lost PTC business, barely broke even last year with subsidy, and SE region is struggling economically. Having effectively closed GWY/SXL based on poor commercial prospects it will be difficult for the Transport Minister to justify favouring WAT now.
http://www.waterfordairport.ie/index...243&Itemid=200.
Leaving just 1 route from WAT BE - BHX who will be their last hope now to take over LTN. If not this could be the end for WAT, they have lost PTC business, barely broke even last year with subsidy, and SE region is struggling economically. Having effectively closed GWY/SXL based on poor commercial prospects it will be difficult for the Transport Minister to justify favouring WAT now.
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WAT figures have been falling this year,
There was a rumour about a month ago don't know how credible it was that EI wanted LTN to be back 2 daily and SEN to drop to 3/4 weekly.
As Flybe seem to be doing ok on BHX then I would say MAN will follow but London will be a hard one as BE would need to base at WAT to operate a good schedule and that costs mone, other than them I can't see a carrier.
Aer Arann is one of the worst run airlines I have ever come accross. I'm sure the sales of ART42/72 sale will go towords paying for the new aircraft.
When you drop a sucessful Luton service for Southend what do you expect?
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It always seemed strange to me for SEN to have services to the west as part of its initial growth. Why fly over London in order to travel back into it? There might be sufficient traffic to sustain a Dublin link, but Galway and Waterford....? Apart from the obvious Mediterranean services SEN's advantage lies in flights to the east, surely.....
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When SEN turned up from WAT, did all of us "Armchair" route planners not ask "WTF?"
WAT routes are thin-ish. LTN works well, a new airline will obviously pick up the route and run with the ball. Strategy you can understand, work on SEN, DUB obviously has enough pax to make that route work, ORK perhaps also. WAT on the other hand needs volume cities such as LTN to work into. MAN being dropped due to a/c being redeployed.
A network carrier will march in, take on WAT-LTN, WAT - MAN and away ye go. Yes it'll mean basing an a/c there, but it's worked.
Now to speculate "WHO"? Eastern? Flybe maybe building on strategy, already becoming known in the South East.
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WAT routes are thin-ish. LTN works well, a new airline will obviously pick up the route and run with the ball. Strategy you can understand, work on SEN, DUB obviously has enough pax to make that route work, ORK perhaps also. WAT on the other hand needs volume cities such as LTN to work into. MAN being dropped due to a/c being redeployed.
A network carrier will march in, take on WAT-LTN, WAT - MAN and away ye go. Yes it'll mean basing an a/c there, but it's worked.
Now to speculate "WHO"? Eastern? Flybe maybe building on strategy, already becoming known in the South East.
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It's hard to tell the effect that the move to SEN had because of the severity of the economic recession in Ireland, and in the UK too. But here are some figures, choosing September as a month to compare over the past four years:
Year
09/2009 LTN: 6631 SEN: 0 TOTAL: 6631
09/2010 LTN: 5137 SEN: 0 TOTAL: 5137
09/2011 LTN: 1551 SEN: 2477 TOTAL: 4028
09/2012 LTN: 2081 SEN: 2595 TOTAL: 4676
So numbers dropped by 23% between 2009 and 2010, without SEN being involved at all, then by 22% between 2010 and 2011 when SEN was introduced, with a 16% growth between 2011 and 2012.
So, as I said at the beginning, it's hard to tell whether the move to SEN had a major effect; would the downward trend at LTN seen between 2009 and 2010 have continued into 2011? All you can say is that traffic from both airports to Waterford was increasing this year.......
Year
09/2009 LTN: 6631 SEN: 0 TOTAL: 6631
09/2010 LTN: 5137 SEN: 0 TOTAL: 5137
09/2011 LTN: 1551 SEN: 2477 TOTAL: 4028
09/2012 LTN: 2081 SEN: 2595 TOTAL: 4676
So numbers dropped by 23% between 2009 and 2010, without SEN being involved at all, then by 22% between 2010 and 2011 when SEN was introduced, with a 16% growth between 2011 and 2012.
So, as I said at the beginning, it's hard to tell whether the move to SEN had a major effect; would the downward trend at LTN seen between 2009 and 2010 have continued into 2011? All you can say is that traffic from both airports to Waterford was increasing this year.......
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So numbers dropped by 23% between 2009 and 2010, without SEN being involved at all
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Sad news - but most of us on here said it would not work splitting the London loads between Luton and Southend. Flybe could operate the Luton route without needing to base an aircraft with the aircraft coming from IOM or Jersey on a W pattern - that is if they want to of course. The only reason we all know about the Southend service is that Stobart put money into RE and of course Southend Airport but didnīt somebody tell them it doesnīt work like that in the harsh aviation world - obviously not or they chose to ignore it - probably the latter. Carlisle-Southend forget it!