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And the irony with the poor loads on EI were that their prices were so often as cheap as FR, but the travelling public were not aware of EI being on the route, FR so well established on the route. EI did market it but so much advertising that goes unnoticed...
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Aer Lingus and DUB-BRS
Dublin-Bristol is Aer Lingus's oldest route, first operated from Baldonnel to Whitchurch on 27 May 1936.
Although Aer Lingus has been on the route for much of the time since that day it's by no means an unbroken run.
In the past 15 years or so the route has had ups and downs in terms of carriers and passenger numbers.
Aer Lingus operated it until 2000 with 2 x daily F 50s against Ryanair's 3 x daily B 737-200s that year. For the next three years Ryanair and BA franchisee provided 5 x daily with 737-200s and DH 8-300s/ERJ145s respectively.
2004 saw the end of BA on the route but Aer Lingus returned with a lunchtime/early afternoon rotation at first, I believe, with B 737s (500s?) then A320s that lasted until the end of 2006. They competed with Ryanair at 3 x daily (4 x daily at certain times). In 2005 Air Southwest (DH8-300s) joined FR and EI with a single daily via Newquay both ways for one year.
From 2007 until 2010 Ryanair had the route to itself and at times operated up to 4 x daily. Ryanair then reduced to 16 x weekly in winter 2010/2011 (2 x daily plus additional rotations on Mon and Fri) and at first advertised this as its schedule for summer 2011.
EI regional then announced it was starting at 3 x daily with ATR 72s for summer 2011 which prompted Ryanair to return to 3 x daily itself that summer. Regional cut back to 2 x daily for winter 2011/2012 and maintained this reduced schedule in summer 2012. Ryanair remained at 3 x daily although on some days the afternoon rotation did not always operate. The coming winter currently sees both Ryanair and Regional at 2 x daily.
The total annual passenger numbers from 2000 to 2011 are respectively:
231,000; 242,000; 224,000; 246,000; 254,000; 289,000; 362,000; 351,000; 314,000; 287,000; 268,000; 323,000.
The best year was 2006 with 362,000 which involved Ryanair at 3 x daily (4 x daily M and F) together with the single EI A320 rotation. This year was also boosted by the closure of Ryanair's CWL-DUB route with the erstwhile CWL flights operating from BRS for a while and Ryanair was changing to an all-Boeing 737-800 fleet..
It does seem there is a seemingly never-ending calculation by airlines to find the optimum number of seats on the route.
In 2011 the arrival of EI Regional boosted overall passenger numbers by over 20% but that was less than the percentage gain in seats. That's been the pattern for most of the time since.
Take June 2010 when Ryanair had the route to itself at 3 x daily. 24,742 passengers were flown that month giving an average load of around 137, load factor just above 72%. In June 2012 the total was 25,914 but from 3 daily Ryanair flights and 2 daily EI Regional, meaning the percentage number of seats filled on the route as a whole was in the low 60s.
History suggests that this may not be the last tinkering we shall see on the route as efforts are made to match seats with demand.
All passenger stats quoted are courtesy of the CAA.
Although Aer Lingus has been on the route for much of the time since that day it's by no means an unbroken run.
In the past 15 years or so the route has had ups and downs in terms of carriers and passenger numbers.
Aer Lingus operated it until 2000 with 2 x daily F 50s against Ryanair's 3 x daily B 737-200s that year. For the next three years Ryanair and BA franchisee provided 5 x daily with 737-200s and DH 8-300s/ERJ145s respectively.
2004 saw the end of BA on the route but Aer Lingus returned with a lunchtime/early afternoon rotation at first, I believe, with B 737s (500s?) then A320s that lasted until the end of 2006. They competed with Ryanair at 3 x daily (4 x daily at certain times). In 2005 Air Southwest (DH8-300s) joined FR and EI with a single daily via Newquay both ways for one year.
From 2007 until 2010 Ryanair had the route to itself and at times operated up to 4 x daily. Ryanair then reduced to 16 x weekly in winter 2010/2011 (2 x daily plus additional rotations on Mon and Fri) and at first advertised this as its schedule for summer 2011.
EI regional then announced it was starting at 3 x daily with ATR 72s for summer 2011 which prompted Ryanair to return to 3 x daily itself that summer. Regional cut back to 2 x daily for winter 2011/2012 and maintained this reduced schedule in summer 2012. Ryanair remained at 3 x daily although on some days the afternoon rotation did not always operate. The coming winter currently sees both Ryanair and Regional at 2 x daily.
The total annual passenger numbers from 2000 to 2011 are respectively:
231,000; 242,000; 224,000; 246,000; 254,000; 289,000; 362,000; 351,000; 314,000; 287,000; 268,000; 323,000.
The best year was 2006 with 362,000 which involved Ryanair at 3 x daily (4 x daily M and F) together with the single EI A320 rotation. This year was also boosted by the closure of Ryanair's CWL-DUB route with the erstwhile CWL flights operating from BRS for a while and Ryanair was changing to an all-Boeing 737-800 fleet..
It does seem there is a seemingly never-ending calculation by airlines to find the optimum number of seats on the route.
In 2011 the arrival of EI Regional boosted overall passenger numbers by over 20% but that was less than the percentage gain in seats. That's been the pattern for most of the time since.
Take June 2010 when Ryanair had the route to itself at 3 x daily. 24,742 passengers were flown that month giving an average load of around 137, load factor just above 72%. In June 2012 the total was 25,914 but from 3 daily Ryanair flights and 2 daily EI Regional, meaning the percentage number of seats filled on the route as a whole was in the low 60s.
History suggests that this may not be the last tinkering we shall see on the route as efforts are made to match seats with demand.
All passenger stats quoted are courtesy of the CAA.
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Aer Lingus Regional
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=453a5303&opt=0
And also same aircraft
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=453bac9d&opt=0
And also same aircraft
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=453bac9d&opt=0
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Does anyone know where the second ATR from SNN will be based for the winter or will it be used as a spare aircraft. I assume if it was going to be used for any new routes for the winter schedule it would have been announced by now?
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Staff at Waterford Airport had to hold an Aer Lingus Regional flight to London Luton last Thursday as passengers refused to board the aircraft because the majority were watching Katie Taylor flight. The flight was scheduled to depart at 15.00 but was delayed until 16.30 because of fog earlier that day and when passengers were asked to board they refused which forced staff to delay it until 17.00.
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EI-REI while performing the 7am flight from ORK-MAN this morning suffered a birdstrike on approach to MAN. The strike seems to have occurred on or around engine 2. The following A/C which happened to be EI-SLL inbound from SNN was instructed to go around - presumably so that the runway could be checked for debris.
As a result EI-SLL is running with a delay of approx 40mins. Ei-REI is still grounded with engineers currently inspecting the A/C.
EI-REI is today based in ORK and as a result, there will be significant knock on effect likely across the EIR network.
Will update when I hear more.
As a result EI-SLL is running with a delay of approx 40mins. Ei-REI is still grounded with engineers currently inspecting the A/C.
EI-REI is today based in ORK and as a result, there will be significant knock on effect likely across the EIR network.
Will update when I hear more.
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Hi All
Staff at Waterford Airport had to hold an Aer Lingus Regional flight to London Luton last Thursday as passengers refused to board the aircraft because the majority were watching Katie Taylor flight. The flight was scheduled to depart at 15.00 but was delayed until 16.30 because of fog earlier that day and when passengers were asked to board they refused which forced staff to delay it until 17.00.
Dont believe all you read on face book, no passengers refused to board and the staff were not forced to delay the flight.
The inbound aircraft did not land until 1640. Passengers did not run to the boarding gate when the boarding call was made but the certainally did not refuse to board just went at a snails pace.
Staff at Waterford Airport had to hold an Aer Lingus Regional flight to London Luton last Thursday as passengers refused to board the aircraft because the majority were watching Katie Taylor flight. The flight was scheduled to depart at 15.00 but was delayed until 16.30 because of fog earlier that day and when passengers were asked to board they refused which forced staff to delay it until 17.00.
Dont believe all you read on face book, no passengers refused to board and the staff were not forced to delay the flight.
The inbound aircraft did not land until 1640. Passengers did not run to the boarding gate when the boarding call was made but the certainally did not refuse to board just went at a snails pace.
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Return flight from Manchester cancelled. Cork Birmingham flights also cancelled as a result. Cork Edinburgh flights cancelled on Sunday due to some other technical issue. Does Aer Arann have any back up aircraft?
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I assume that there is a back up aircraft operating the ORK-GLA-ORK service as this is now back showing as on time. Having said that conditions are going to be horrible into ORK this afternoon/evening with gusts upto 50kts. I am due in approx 7pm on the ORK-MAN. An ATR might find it pretty tricky and we may well see many diverts.
EI-REI I believe is currently being ferried back from MAN to ORK so in theory it might be able to do the ork-gla run if it has deemed to be repaired.
EI-REI I believe is currently being ferried back from MAN to ORK so in theory it might be able to do the ork-gla run if it has deemed to be repaired.
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Aer Lingus management must be running short of patience with the constant delays and cancellations from EIR. I imagine it must be starting to run thin with the travelling public also. Is there any confirmed dates for the first delivery of the new 600's?
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The madness has started - EI3633 has been diverted to ORK from SNN. I bet those PAX onboard which were off the cancelled flight to ORK are happy!
Hopefully, we don't see another cancellation on the MAN-ORK-MAN which is normally operated by this diverted A/C.
Hopefully, we don't see another cancellation on the MAN-ORK-MAN which is normally operated by this diverted A/C.
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While a bird strike is not of Aer Arann's making and I have a large measure of sympathy for them it beats me why an arrangment with Aer Lingus cannot be in place for extraordinary situations like this with Sunday's cancellations at Cork and now again today. Does EI have some spare capacity to cover for situations either within their own in house operation or to help out their partner at Aer Arann?
Then again, was there not a Portuguese A340 in operation for EI between Dublin and Boston in the last day or so? Hmm.
Hope all the passengers are properly accommodated again before the day is out.
Then again, was there not a Portuguese A340 in operation for EI between Dublin and Boston in the last day or so? Hmm.
Hope all the passengers are properly accommodated again before the day is out.
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EI-EHH has also been out of action for part of the day as South Wales Aviation Group has reported it diverted into Cardiff en route to Dublin from Bristol this morning.
It has since left Cardiff after approx 5 hours on the ground.
It has since left Cardiff after approx 5 hours on the ground.
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REI now fixed and is doing the 4 hour delayed MAN-ORK tonight. So hopeful of getting to my destination with only a 13 hour delay! Menzies at MAN have been as useless as ever. No way of talking to anyone once through security and I have not been offered any meal vouchers. Infact after the first cancellation the only way I could get out of the departures back to the outside world was to stop a friendly looking policeman and ask for his help. I should have hijacked a the OCS truk and driven. Would have been much quicker!
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Think an ATR42 was stranded in Kerry since this morning. To be fair EIR do there best most of them time. Just think you will be on new ATR72-600 by March 2013, well some but most lightly DUB base will be first and then ORK.