Aer Lingus Regional
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It's been a while but I think I remember the 42 MTOW being 16.9 kg.
The max zero fuel weight being 15.5 kg.
The basic weight is 12 tonnes so with 42 men on board and all their bags, a rule of thumb would be 4200kg (42x100).
4200 + 12000(approx) is well over the max zero fuel weight which makes this the limiting factor.
Goodbye golf bags !
The crew can still take 1.4 tonnes of fuel ( which is loads ) and land in waterford well under the max landing weight of 16.5
Don't worry and enjoy the flight
The max zero fuel weight being 15.5 kg.
The basic weight is 12 tonnes so with 42 men on board and all their bags, a rule of thumb would be 4200kg (42x100).
4200 + 12000(approx) is well over the max zero fuel weight which makes this the limiting factor.
Goodbye golf bags !
The crew can still take 1.4 tonnes of fuel ( which is loads ) and land in waterford well under the max landing weight of 16.5
Don't worry and enjoy the flight
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Just about to board.....then it is halted due to being overweight. At least the system works. Appears to be overweight on PAX alone without any bags. RE not sure what to do. Its just been delayed while everyone is arguing! Won't be going anywhere soon. Considering most of this was obvious 5 hours ago why has it just been noticed now and created such chaos?!
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Time to position an Aer Lingus Airbus over to Manchester to fly everyone to Cork? Dont get me wrong, I like Waterford and have loads of relations there, and should like to see everyone appropriately accommodated but surely there is a time when the Aer Arann connection with Aer Lingus has got to mean something in the real world?
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Would have made sense to make tonights Man-Ork an A320 as that is also fully booked and just heap it all on that.
They are now bumping 10 PAX off here and transferring to DUB.
Meant to be coming back from ORK tonight.....if I indeed make it over ha ha! What a day!
Oh, the bumped off pax have now returned to the gate! Utter maddness!
They are now bumping 10 PAX off here and transferring to DUB.
Meant to be coming back from ORK tonight.....if I indeed make it over ha ha! What a day!
Oh, the bumped off pax have now returned to the gate! Utter maddness!
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I think EIR will ruin the best route they operate MAN/ORK hOW LONG MORE MUST WE PUT UP WITH THIS awful service?It dont matter to them how the pax get to cork via DUB/ WAT/SNN OR AT 3AM THE NEXT DAY why is EI putting up with this DISASTER?
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Why is EI putting up with this disaster?
Because overall the Aer Lingus Regional franchise has been a huge success, the Aer Lingus brand reaches more regional points in Ireland and the UK than it has done in decades, it makes routes viable that otherwise wouldn't be with A320s and it has increased feed to the long-haul network.
The tech issues are a problem but there isn't much that can be done with an ageing fleet until the new aircraft arrive. Some seem to think Aer Lingus can just pick up a few E-Jets and do the routes themselves with the same level of success but it doesn't work that way. The only thing I would say is that decision making on the ground needs to be better from RE and their ground handlers.
Because overall the Aer Lingus Regional franchise has been a huge success, the Aer Lingus brand reaches more regional points in Ireland and the UK than it has done in decades, it makes routes viable that otherwise wouldn't be with A320s and it has increased feed to the long-haul network.
The tech issues are a problem but there isn't much that can be done with an ageing fleet until the new aircraft arrive. Some seem to think Aer Lingus can just pick up a few E-Jets and do the routes themselves with the same level of success but it doesn't work that way. The only thing I would say is that decision making on the ground needs to be better from RE and their ground handlers.
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Its a shame really how RE are letting the standards drop for Aer Lingus, I understand it has increased no's and opened new routes to EI network but you cannot let this happen all the time the -600 are not even agreeed yet might never happen there is nothing signed with ATR yet.
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EIR was superb in its first year. I was a regular on the DUB-MME flight when the brand was established. It was run by the 4 72-500's and I've never experienced such super punctuality and reliability with any other airline. In the whole time the MME flight ran, I was probably on 80 trips and only was delayed once. The troubles began as the brand started to expand. This meant that the older RE aircraft had to be utilised and the introduction of those awful american birds (sll/m/n). Since then the fleet has been stretched and stretched to a point now where I think there is very little slack in the system creating delays on a daily basis. Having said this, I'd chose EIR over FR anyday!! Hopefully I will have such a choice for a long time to come!
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@bigjim99 I agree that the -500 did the business but you cannot put a sticky plaster on a big wound as soon as the older 42's and the SLL M N were used the problems have started, a coat of paint inside and out does not help with the constant tech problems which these aircraft suffer day in day out, even if they put a order in for newer aircraft it would be 2013 before even 1 or 2 of them would be in the fleet until then I can see a lot more tech delays and wet leased aircraft been used which takes away from the EI Brand. RE need to up there game, they have and still are loosing experianced pilots and engineers month on month which does not help either.
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Next week it won't be Tech aircraft you have to worry about!!!
Aer Arann passengers could face disruption from next weekend due to pilot strike - RT News
Aer Arann passengers could face disruption from next weekend due to pilot strike - RT News
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It's not Tech aircraft they need worry about
Aer Arann passengers could face disruption from next weekend due to pilot strike - RT News
Aer Arann passengers could face disruption from next weekend due to pilot strike - RT News
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I'm not convinced that the -500s are much better than the SLx series. While they may have spent a lot of time in the US, they spent most of their time away from RE. I've had as many delays on the -500s as anything else in the fleet. I do seem to get lucky on the 201s though, no delays at all!
Frankly, I'm not sure the aircraft are really to blame, although they do seem to have their share of technical delays. Having one or two hot spares in the network seems to have improved things - the 3-4+ hour delays seem not to happen as much. I see they have had a Titan 146 in during the week to cover. The real cause of delays is probably more closely related to 8 sector days with 20-30 minute turns, there is just no time to recover even 10-15 minute ATC delays and they really build throughout the day if that's the way it goes.
Frankly, I'm not sure the aircraft are really to blame, although they do seem to have their share of technical delays. Having one or two hot spares in the network seems to have improved things - the 3-4+ hour delays seem not to happen as much. I see they have had a Titan 146 in during the week to cover. The real cause of delays is probably more closely related to 8 sector days with 20-30 minute turns, there is just no time to recover even 10-15 minute ATC delays and they really build throughout the day if that's the way it goes.