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I am afraid the average joe in norn iron is a creature of habit.
Seems that the average joe in NI is a lot more adventurous than the average stereotyper thinks.
With so many experts and people in know on here I'm amazed this slipped under the radar:
United Airlines: Rescue deal agreed to save Belfast to New York service - BBC News
Still. £9m well spent no doubt. Im looking forward to the outcry regarding taxpayers' money being wasted etc etc.
United Airlines: Rescue deal agreed to save Belfast to New York service - BBC News
Still. £9m well spent no doubt. Im looking forward to the outcry regarding taxpayers' money being wasted etc etc.
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The route is performing pretty well this year? What do United want? 95% load factor?
Anytime i've flown United it's been pretty full. Perhaps low loads in winter are having an impact.
Load factor recently..
Today: 99%
Yesterday: 93%
Wednesday: 87%
Saturday: 92%
Sunday: 91%
Anytime i've flown United it's been pretty full. Perhaps low loads in winter are having an impact.
Load factor recently..
Today: 99%
Yesterday: 93%
Wednesday: 87%
Saturday: 92%
Sunday: 91%
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Maybe a meaningful load factor? Yield? Seriously have you ignored everything you've 'learned' on this forum. With the impact of brexit, weak routes will be chopped and cut, look at NCL for example.
Owen, did you read the article? The route was getting binned in two weeks. That would strongly suggest to me that it was either not making any money, or the money if was making was considered not large enough to justify the route continuing. Now, if they're being given £3m a year to keep it going, one could surmise that figure is around what it takes to make it viable.
As AerRyan says, it can be full every day of the week, but unless the yield is sufficiently high, then it'll be scrapped.
As AerRyan says, it can be full every day of the week, but unless the yield is sufficiently high, then it'll be scrapped.
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Owen, did you read the article? The route was getting binned in two weeks. That would strongly suggest to me that it was either not making any money, or the money if was making was considered not large enough to justify the route continuing. Now, if they're being given £3m a year to keep it going, one could surmise that figure is around what it takes to make it viable.
As AerRyan says, it can be full every day of the week, but unless the yield is sufficiently high, then it'll be scrapped.
As AerRyan says, it can be full every day of the week, but unless the yield is sufficiently high, then it'll be scrapped.
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https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/CAA/Content/Standard_Content/Data_and_analysis/Datasets/Airport_stats/Airport_data_2016_04/Table_12_1_Intl_Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis_PDF.pdf
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A rescue deal has been agreed to prevent US airline United ending its daily service between Belfast and New York. Financial assistance, believed to be in the region of £9m over three years, will be provided. Most of the money is coming from Stormont. The BBC has established United was set to axe the route next month, believing its aircraft could be more profitably used elsewhere.
The managing director of Belfast International Airport, Graham Keddie, said: "Two weeks ago we had lost it. "It was a Northern Ireland team effort to get it back."
Economy Minister Simon Hamilton said the rescue package had the backing of the executive. "It is public money being spent to ensure we keep this very important route in place," said Mr Hamilton.
He said the route was crucial to attracting US-inward investment.
Northern Ireland politicians lobbied their counterparts in the US as part of the effort to have United re-think its initial decision.
DUP MP for North Antrim Ian Paisley said: "Losing this route would have been a blow to the prestige of Northern Ireland. "Imagine the outcry if this had been lost." The Ulster Unionist MP for South Antrim, Danny Kinahan, added: "This is an excellent example of what can be achieved when political differences can be put aside."
The managing director of Belfast International Airport, Graham Keddie, said: "Two weeks ago we had lost it. "It was a Northern Ireland team effort to get it back."
Economy Minister Simon Hamilton said the rescue package had the backing of the executive. "It is public money being spent to ensure we keep this very important route in place," said Mr Hamilton.
He said the route was crucial to attracting US-inward investment.
Northern Ireland politicians lobbied their counterparts in the US as part of the effort to have United re-think its initial decision.
DUP MP for North Antrim Ian Paisley said: "Losing this route would have been a blow to the prestige of Northern Ireland. "Imagine the outcry if this had been lost." The Ulster Unionist MP for South Antrim, Danny Kinahan, added: "This is an excellent example of what can be achieved when political differences can be put aside."
Using 9 million and it operating every single day over 3 years that's over 8,200 per day.
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United Airlines: Rescue deal agreed to save Belfast to New York service - BBC News
Using 9 million and it operating every single day over 3 years that's over 8,200 per day.
Using 9 million and it operating every single day over 3 years that's over 8,200 per day.
Wow. I am genuinely surprised by the lack of comment from the usual critics of every other airport on this island. Oh. Hang on. No I'm not. Pathetic. As I've been saying for years on here, a lot of those who adore BFS are hypocrites, and silence on this proves it.
Of course, we shouldn't forget the £2.4m a year it costs the tax payer to cover APD for this, and the scant other trans-Atlantic routes. I wonder how this news is going down in Emirates HQ. After all, they should be announcing their new EGAA-OMDB route....ANY.....DAY.....NOW.
Of course, we shouldn't forget the £2.4m a year it costs the tax payer to cover APD for this, and the scant other trans-Atlantic routes. I wonder how this news is going down in Emirates HQ. After all, they should be announcing their new EGAA-OMDB route....ANY.....DAY.....NOW.
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Cuthere,
Why are you surprised? I am guessing that United are doing ok on the BFS EWR (obviously without specific inside knowledge), but potentially see Dublin as way more profitable/ attractive for deployment of the daily rotation, while still possibly gaining most of the NI originating passengers. Dublin offers the potential to feed to Star partner airlines like SAS, Lufthansa, Turkish, Swiss, Ethopian, not to mention the great level of business traffic that the Dublin area brings.
Dublin has seen as we all know an amazing growth and sparkling performance in terms of Transatlantic expansion and growth, nonetheless, I hope NI can sustain its link to the US. I could see Norwegian being a good match for the market.
The downside of this subvention is that it could prohibit other airlines from join the market, as they would be expecting similar treatment....
Why are you surprised? I am guessing that United are doing ok on the BFS EWR (obviously without specific inside knowledge), but potentially see Dublin as way more profitable/ attractive for deployment of the daily rotation, while still possibly gaining most of the NI originating passengers. Dublin offers the potential to feed to Star partner airlines like SAS, Lufthansa, Turkish, Swiss, Ethopian, not to mention the great level of business traffic that the Dublin area brings.
Dublin has seen as we all know an amazing growth and sparkling performance in terms of Transatlantic expansion and growth, nonetheless, I hope NI can sustain its link to the US. I could see Norwegian being a good match for the market.
The downside of this subvention is that it could prohibit other airlines from join the market, as they would be expecting similar treatment....
Hi EI-BUD. I'm not remotely surprised.
Everything you say makes perfect sense. Speaking of sense, hopefully this news will focus the minds of those who a) thought that BFS was in for a bonanza of international routes, and b) the minds of those who inexplicably described Brexit as an "opportunity".
Everything you say makes perfect sense. Speaking of sense, hopefully this news will focus the minds of those who a) thought that BFS was in for a bonanza of international routes, and b) the minds of those who inexplicably described Brexit as an "opportunity".