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Old 11th May 2016, 16:51
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Are you for real, comparing Belfast to Cork, Shannon or Knock?
Why not Cork, simple fact is the Wed and Sat is useless for weekend breaks, business travelers and do we really see lots of tourists coming to Belfast in winter.

Not to forget you have a 2 daily BGY ex DUB, 1 daily LIN, and up to daily MXP ex DUB.

If it does operate it will be a one winter service only.

It's the only route from BFS which appears to have been poorly taught out, buck/spade and eastern Europe are workable any day and they have made an effort with Berlin to work for things such as weekend breaks etc.
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Old 11th May 2016, 16:58
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Belfast covers a population of 2 million not 500,000.
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Old 11th May 2016, 17:38
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Originally Posted by owenc View Post
Belfast covers a population of 2 million not 500,000.
2 million? You're having a laugh.
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Old 11th May 2016, 17:44
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The population of NI in 2011 was 1.811 million. OwenC tends not to be the brightest little star in the firmament.
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Old 11th May 2016, 18:41
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Maybe owenc hasn't covered local geography yet for his upcoming GCSEs.

I haven't seen any figures regarding the increase in Gatwick figures but it doesn't take an expert to figure out its going to get a massive boost, no competition from Harbour combined with lots of introductory Ryanair offers plus I would imagine Easy have made their own fares more competitive to match Ryanair as well. The question is who will blink first?

One thing I have found recently using Skyscanner to book flights, its very easy (no pun intended) to have a very flexible return from Aldergrove to London and I think this will be a massive attraction to customers no matter whether business or leisure. Harbour have their work cut out with just two very expensive London options for Heathrow and London City to get anywhere close to both price and choice of flights.

I thought it was interesting that Easy make up 85% of Aldergrove business, thats a very big risk to bring in another airline that will give them such a hard time regardless of how quickly Easy dismiss the threat. I wonder will Ryanair deliver or simply drive passenger figures up but not really contribute significantly to the balance sheet.
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Old 11th May 2016, 18:55
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Look at it this way. Every extra passenger has the opportunity to spend money in the retail and catering outlets, the more they take the more rent the airport can justify, the more money in turn they are liable to be lent by banks for improvement works and expansion potentially in the future. Its also landing fees income, parking revenues etc.

BHD does need a wider spread of LON routes and some cheaper options would be good, and yes to answer your point panpan EZY have cut fares on all routes into LON especially LGW, EI have come down by about 15 on a return into LHR and EZY can be under the 40 return mark for LGW, I don't think either will pull out.....too lucrative.

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Old 11th May 2016, 19:11
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Mart, points noted. I can remember some time ago chatting to a Ryanair manager at a function and discussing how they managed routes to be kept, expanded or chopped. He simply said that the lowest routes were chopped at a review, not necessarily routes that were making losses, just routes that weren't making as much as forecast and where an aircraft could be better utilised elsewhere with more potential profit then decision made.

I can only assume Easy operate to a similar model? If this is the case then is there a potential for the Aldergrove - Gatwick route for example to get to a point where it is still profitable but not delivering as much as another route that could use an extra aircraft? Easy is not there to deliver primarily convenience, it is there purely to make money as is any business. There has to be a break point for any airline operating any route, the question is, is the market big enough to continue with the current capacity/over capacity or will something have to give. What if Ryanair were to increase capacity on Gatwick and start a Stansted or a Luton as well, is there enough traffic for everybody to make massive profits that their shareholders will expect?
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Old 11th May 2016, 19:39
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EasyJet have committed resources to fight Ryanair on the LGW route. They are already better on price which suggests they mean business. Ultimately the number of flights to LGW will reflect only what the market can sustain and the 10 fares will disappear.
I see Citywing are opening a base in NI. BHD or LDY? Small in the grand scheme of things but still progress.
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Old 11th May 2016, 21:03
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I see Citywing are opening a base in NI. BHD or LDY? Small in the grand scheme of things but still

Are they? I didn't know that
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Old 12th May 2016, 08:45
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On recent bookings I haven't seen much evidence of Easyjet weakening their margins to compete on the Gatwick run.

Just booking for post-12th-July travel and they're coming in at over twice the price for Ryanair, comparing the 20:00 nose-to-tail departures ( 28 versus 13 ). For 2 more than Easy squeezy-class I could book Ryanair Business Plus.

Still ridiculously cheap compared to 1990s fare levels but I don't think Easy are planning on competing on price. Which is a shame because we book with them, but good in that they're not going to bleed on the route.

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Old 12th May 2016, 09:15
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Not a huge lot of info but something to chew over;


We're off to the piste as easyJet plans new ski route from Belfast - The Irish News
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Old 12th May 2016, 11:38
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Irish News Article

I don't think EZY are having the same number of flights to Geneva this coming winter, so probably spare capacity for a weekly flight to another Ski destination. Surprised they said Lyon was very good as from looking at CAA stats not that impressive
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Old 12th May 2016, 22:27
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Easyjet cheaper than Ryanair to and from LGW this weekend. Looks like price competition to me.
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https://www.facebook.com/VanairCharters
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Old 12th May 2016, 23:43
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NI, I'm guessing they'll go after LDY DUB.. They've done bhd base before when Cork operated...
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Old 13th May 2016, 00:16
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NI, I'm guessing they'll go after LDY DUB.. They've done bhd base before when Cork operated...
EI-BUD, yeah, DUB and IOM were announced at the end of last year, after LDY-DUB was successful in its bid to get Gov funding. It was supposed to start in April, but LDY Twitter says it is now starting "early summer". No doubt to much fanfare.
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Old 15th May 2016, 19:48
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Ryanair - BFS-LPL?

Wonder is Liverpool still to be announced for Ryanair from BFS? I remember reading somewhere that Liverpool Airport MD was on a radio station and told them that he was expecting Ryanair to announce LPL-BFS?
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Old 15th May 2016, 20:42
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We are still waiting on the third FR aircraft announcement......hopefully very soon
I assume the flights tomorrow to Valladolid and Cork are charters?
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Old 15th May 2016, 20:48
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I know it's early days but looks like BE might be dropping BHD - LPL from beginning of February 2017 as all other routes have now gone on sale until to end of March. Perhaps they're waiting to see if FR announce something?
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Old 15th May 2016, 23:06
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FR

I see FR now have BFS-TFS and BFS-ACE on sale. Does anyone know if there are any plans to add FUE and LPA?
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Old 16th May 2016, 13:11
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Just Curious but Titan 767 looks like its going to Cork. Anyone know who's on board ?
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