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To be fair, many Cities can raise reasons why a FRA, or many other routes, would work. Leeds is a big financial centre, Southampton with a large military community (although I think this one is being over emphasised).
I don't like the idea that people get accused of trolling just because they live closer to an airport other than the one being commented on.
I don't like the idea that people get accused of trolling just because they live closer to an airport other than the one being commented on.
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Sorry easyflyer, but have you actually read his post? I'm very pro-BOH and SOU (believing that both can coexist due to their differences), but it seems extremely obvious that he is just pinching a rare opportunity to put down the neighbouring 'team' - or in this case airport. Rather pathetic really, especially given the expansive list of routes which, for one reason or another, have come and gone at Bournemouth.
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I'm pretty certain Flybe will be looking for an alternative to replace the lost capacity, perhaps Hamburg, Berlin, Munich or even Warsaw could do with some direct service from the South Coast that isn't London centric.
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New Barcelona route attracted only 38% load factors for the first few days of its operation in Jun'12.
Hopefully this will pick up somewhat in July, but if they don't get the loads up to about 75% for the busy summer season I doubt this route will last beyond Oct'12.
Hopefully this will pick up somewhat in July, but if they don't get the loads up to about 75% for the busy summer season I doubt this route will last beyond Oct'12.
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Wow guys. Just wow.
I signed up with this username 5 years ago. Just because it has BOH in it's title, that doesn't mean I'm a sad pathetic that jumps on the band-wagon when anything in the slightest bit negative happens to another local airport.
The two airports serve very different markets, we're in a SOU thread so let's just discuss SOU related topics, shall we? Without bringing BOH into it to make your nickers get all twisted.
SOU airport is actually responsible for my income, not Bournemouth. I was purely reflecting that I believed the axing of this route was a long time coming, just like the Brussels route that got axed towards the end of March. Capacity has to come from somewhere to enable Flybe to expand it's partnership with Brussels Airlines to four aircraft this winter. Poor performing routes, doesn't matter what bases they come from, have to be dropped if they've been tried and tested. The company's losing money & the capacity can go elsewhere to make a better return on investment.
Grow up.
I signed up with this username 5 years ago. Just because it has BOH in it's title, that doesn't mean I'm a sad pathetic that jumps on the band-wagon when anything in the slightest bit negative happens to another local airport.
The two airports serve very different markets, we're in a SOU thread so let's just discuss SOU related topics, shall we? Without bringing BOH into it to make your nickers get all twisted.
SOU airport is actually responsible for my income, not Bournemouth. I was purely reflecting that I believed the axing of this route was a long time coming, just like the Brussels route that got axed towards the end of March. Capacity has to come from somewhere to enable Flybe to expand it's partnership with Brussels Airlines to four aircraft this winter. Poor performing routes, doesn't matter what bases they come from, have to be dropped if they've been tried and tested. The company's losing money & the capacity can go elsewhere to make a better return on investment.
Grow up.
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just like the Brussels route that got axed towards the end of March
If the EMA base grows then that will have to get its aircraft from somewhere so we may see a DH4 or two heading north. BE have yet to announce formerly a number of routes which they committed to following the announcement of bmibaby's forthcoming demise.
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Hypothetical question
If anything went wrong with Flybe and assuming BA didn't want to step in to save it, what would happen with SOU? It seems as though pretty much 90% of the passenger traffic is attributable to Flybe from there. Who would step in should the 'hypothetical' ever happen?
But if the basket breaks, SOU is no longer viable as an airport, as a brown field site most of the planning restrictions are removed for a site change of use, BAA sell off a prime development site with excellent travel connections, another chunk of Ferrovial debt paid, sorted!
How can I invest in BOH?
How can I invest in BOH?
Southampton has 600m more asphalt than Plymouth, has an ample sized terminal, well equipped in terms of infrastructure, is next to a substantial population centre, is well connected by road and train to the region and has shown itself to be capable of sustaining over 1.75m passengers per year. The Southampton-Edinburgh route alone manages 200,000 passengers
Typically, if an airline fails, other airlines will find a way to pick up the profitable routes within a few months and get passenger numbers going again.
If Ferrovial want to sell SOU to reduce some of their debt, they can do so now while passenger numbers are good - no need to wait for disaster to strike. Even if Flybe were to shut down, and Ferrovial lose confidence, it is likely that another airport management company or infrastructure fund would be interested as a purchaser
So why would SOU cease to be viable as an airport ?
Typically, if an airline fails, other airlines will find a way to pick up the profitable routes within a few months and get passenger numbers going again.
If Ferrovial want to sell SOU to reduce some of their debt, they can do so now while passenger numbers are good - no need to wait for disaster to strike. Even if Flybe were to shut down, and Ferrovial lose confidence, it is likely that another airport management company or infrastructure fund would be interested as a purchaser
So why would SOU cease to be viable as an airport ?
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If the site ceased to be an airport, you can probably bet that the train companies will no longer bother to stop there - at least on the more popular services from London and Manchester etc.
It will become a suburban station like St Denys, Swaythling etc.
It will become a suburban station like St Denys, Swaythling etc.
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If you check, most of the revenue generated by "Southampton Airport Parkway" is generated by the "Parkway" bit. The recent investment in a 500 + multi storey car park was not to accomodate airport PAX cars, it was to cash in in the London commuter market, which has sustained rail station development. Having an airport on the doorstep is just a bonus.
If you check, most of the revenue generated by "Southampton Airport Parkway" is generated by the "Parkway" bit. The recent investment in a 500 + multi storey car park was not to accomodate airport PAX cars, it was to cash in in the London commuter market, which has sustained rail station development. Having an airport on the doorstep is just a bonus.
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Oh dear, has all got very silly on here. See the usual trolls have crept out from under their stones 
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Lets take a stock,
Southampton:
The cruise capital of northern Europe with 4 cruise terminals and therefore thousands embarking/disembarking daily (indeed recently 30,000 people in one day). Also head office of many of the cruise companies and base for staff transfer (upwards of 800 per ship).
One of the biggest oil refineries in England.
The second biggest container port in the country and the biggest exporter of vehicles in the whole of UK.
2 universities with one of them being in the top 10 of the whole country and being a national leader in various high end fields. Indeed thousands of Asian students come year round.
The best art collection outside London.
The home of the biggest boat show in the UK.
Massively multicultural population.
History wise the airport and city are closely associated with the Spitfire and of course Southampton is where the Titanic set sail from so big draws for tourists.
Also has a royal naval base and many army and RAF bases close by.
Home of a premiership football team with the biggest stadium on the south coast which will also be one of the venues for the 2018 rugby world cup.
The airport has a modern upmarket terminal with a security fast track probably only bettered by LCY and of course is bordered by the main motorway to London and has the closest plane to train distance in the UK.
Also outside the big London airports and Manchester it has the highest number of passengers on nearly all its domestic routes than any other UK airport (200,000 yearly alone on the Edinburgh route – I make that pretty much a ¼ of Bournemouth’s total yearly volume!)
Now Bournemouth.........................
It has a beach?
Lets all await the trolls to nitpick but at the end of the day it’s a one sided argument so lets just stick to our own boards. Surely you have better things to be doing. The routes were cut because they are taking a gamble on EMA which is such a great airport that its main airline is being closed down. Case closed.
.Lets take a stock,
Southampton:
The cruise capital of northern Europe with 4 cruise terminals and therefore thousands embarking/disembarking daily (indeed recently 30,000 people in one day). Also head office of many of the cruise companies and base for staff transfer (upwards of 800 per ship).
One of the biggest oil refineries in England.
The second biggest container port in the country and the biggest exporter of vehicles in the whole of UK.
2 universities with one of them being in the top 10 of the whole country and being a national leader in various high end fields. Indeed thousands of Asian students come year round.
The best art collection outside London.
The home of the biggest boat show in the UK.
Massively multicultural population.
History wise the airport and city are closely associated with the Spitfire and of course Southampton is where the Titanic set sail from so big draws for tourists.
Also has a royal naval base and many army and RAF bases close by.
Home of a premiership football team with the biggest stadium on the south coast which will also be one of the venues for the 2018 rugby world cup.
The airport has a modern upmarket terminal with a security fast track probably only bettered by LCY and of course is bordered by the main motorway to London and has the closest plane to train distance in the UK.
Also outside the big London airports and Manchester it has the highest number of passengers on nearly all its domestic routes than any other UK airport (200,000 yearly alone on the Edinburgh route – I make that pretty much a ¼ of Bournemouth’s total yearly volume!)
Now Bournemouth.........................
It has a beach?
Lets all await the trolls to nitpick but at the end of the day it’s a one sided argument so lets just stick to our own boards. Surely you have better things to be doing. The routes were cut because they are taking a gamble on EMA which is such a great airport that its main airline is being closed down. Case closed.
Oh dear, has all got very silly on here
biggest stadium on the south coast
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Also outside the big London airports and Manchester it has the highest number of passengers on nearly all its domestic routes than any other UK airport (200,000 yearly alone on the Edinburgh route – I make that pretty much a ¼ of Bournemouth’s total yearly volume!)
BHX 289,000, BRS 286,000, SOU 203,000 to EDI
BRS 222,000, BHX 212,000, SOU 139,000 to GLA
BHX 309,000, SOU 86,000, BRS 42,000 to BHD
BRS 179,000 to BFS (no SOU or BHX route) so adding the Belfasts together SOU is in third place of these three airport, and Liverpool is well ahead of all three.
BRS 168,000, SOU 91,000, BHX 13,000 to NCL
BRS 75,000, BHX 30,000, SOU 2,000 to INV
BHX 83,000, BRS 33,000, SOU 22,000 to ABZ
SOU certainly scores highly on such routes as Manchester and the Channel Islands compared with most other regional airports but the above figures show that on a number of domestic routes they are outperformed by other regional airports and not exclusively by BRS and BHX.
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Might Flybe end up getting its wingtips burnt if the exodus to EMA turns sour? If BAA let another airline have the slots vacated by Flybe at SOU(eg, the FRA flights) and then things go a bit t**s up at EMA and flybe want to return, will they be told, sorry, there is no room at the inn??
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I wish BAA would sell it - allowing a far more realistic management to come in and steer the airport. I feel BAA are slowly driving the airlines customers away with their half baked ideas of traffic management.
It seems BAA pride themselves in having to try and re-invent the wheel several times over perhaps with newly promoted staff being offered 'projects' to bring to fruition.
There are more middle managers and compliance of compliance managers than I government quango team.
I have never seen so many different painted lines and markings to direct you onto the correct piece of concrete. Blocked off pavements, barriers, kerb stones, marshalls, escape lanes, signage that is too complicated. It would take a new management to say hangon - are we not making this far too complicated and going full circle - shall we go back to the beginning and start again!
As an example - pax have to use short term carpark for drop off - fair enough, makes sense. But no, having made access to forecourt area impregnable unless you jump the barrier behind the bus they decide to reduce the waiting time for drop off from 20 mins i think, down to 10mins. Hardly making it a breeze for passengers. Then they wonder why they have to spend further money trying to manage the drop off offenders blocking the roundabout. Surely all they have to do is lengthen the drop of time limit to something more attractive to pax and the problem will kind of resolve itself. It seems it makes good management sense to create a problem and then solve it. . . I guess it gives them a job!
BAA - you seem hell bent on antagonising yours and your clients customers!
It seems BAA pride themselves in having to try and re-invent the wheel several times over perhaps with newly promoted staff being offered 'projects' to bring to fruition.
There are more middle managers and compliance of compliance managers than I government quango team.
I have never seen so many different painted lines and markings to direct you onto the correct piece of concrete. Blocked off pavements, barriers, kerb stones, marshalls, escape lanes, signage that is too complicated. It would take a new management to say hangon - are we not making this far too complicated and going full circle - shall we go back to the beginning and start again!
As an example - pax have to use short term carpark for drop off - fair enough, makes sense. But no, having made access to forecourt area impregnable unless you jump the barrier behind the bus they decide to reduce the waiting time for drop off from 20 mins i think, down to 10mins. Hardly making it a breeze for passengers. Then they wonder why they have to spend further money trying to manage the drop off offenders blocking the roundabout. Surely all they have to do is lengthen the drop of time limit to something more attractive to pax and the problem will kind of resolve itself. It seems it makes good management sense to create a problem and then solve it. . . I guess it gives them a job!
BAA - you seem hell bent on antagonising yours and your clients customers!
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BAA certainly seem to have a fondness for turning the terminals into a shopping mall! SOU is in desperate need of taxiways to reduce backtracking of the runway and the long awaited stands to the east. Their main customer has just invested in aircraft that can only fit on 4 of Sou's stands! Absolute madness not to invest recession or not! Can see BE just looking after their monopoly for the foreseeable future and Sou falling into a malaise 
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