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Similar comments were made about Manchester's reluctance to take diversion at times to which the reply was they prefer to keep regular customers happy. Consider this that Ryanair is offering a regular income stream for the parking of their aircraft which brings in more than the odd chance diversion from other airlines.
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BHX Parking of Ryanair Aircraft.
Just wondered why they are not parked on the 'old' 06/24 runway (sorry cannot remember what taxiway it is called now).
I believe it cannot be used as a taxyway at certain times anyway.
Take three/four, or however many they want, each day off the front. And park up at the rear, those 'finished with'
OK so it would need use of tug to pull them forward.
But it would free up 'regular' parking stands.
Anyone from BHX, reading this?
Just wondered
Just wondered why they are not parked on the 'old' 06/24 runway (sorry cannot remember what taxiway it is called now).
I believe it cannot be used as a taxyway at certain times anyway.
Take three/four, or however many they want, each day off the front. And park up at the rear, those 'finished with'
OK so it would need use of tug to pull them forward.
But it would free up 'regular' parking stands.
Anyone from BHX, reading this?
Just wondered
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Wouldn't fit like the old 737s used to (winglets). And your assuming there would be a tow crew and engineer available at the right time, and believe me that's something of a big assumption these days! if you want to rotate the acft in and out of service they need to be accessable. That means parked on the ramp.
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In my opinion, that's not good for UK Plc, though of course the bean counters in BA may feel it's better for their shareholders!
The reason BA sold GO was it was taking up so much management time looking at what was happeneing at STN was hammering BA's core short haul which was already struggling.
It's not personal, it is business, and that's exactly why you need "bean counters". Without decent bean counters, you get the Edinburgh tram fiasco, the Scottish Parliament, everything ever bought by the MOD, SABENA, Portcullis House and more recently, the West Coast Rail franchise bnidding system. Could have done with some beancounters wouldn't you say?
Besides it hasn't been 28L since the mid '80s. Much like your argument if I may say. I might remind you that gifting the BA Regional operation at BHX to GO would have been poisonous for staff who would see all they had worked hard for years to maintain given away. Now we know now saving that operation was not to be, but that would have been a tough ask! The main worry for BHX in that regard is that it's been completely unloved by EZY who do a good job on business and are getting better.
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Do wish you'd read the comment before responding!
I suggested that they (BA) COULD HAVE used GO as a platform to do with it what LH is now doing with their one-class, low cost carrier. Perhaps it's a case of different decade, new thinking, if I was to give BA the benefit of the doubt.
All that said, I don't miss BA at BHX, the LH product in particular is well suited to my and thousands of other's requirements.
I don't imagine their view beyond the end of 27L is much different!
Interested to hear more of how GO was essential a "three class carrier" as I recall only one.
I suggested that they (BA) COULD HAVE used GO as a platform to do with it what LH is now doing with their one-class, low cost carrier. Perhaps it's a case of different decade, new thinking, if I was to give BA the benefit of the doubt.
All that said, I don't miss BA at BHX, the LH product in particular is well suited to my and thousands of other's requirements.
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More EZY at BHX
easyJet adds extra flights to Birmingham
Published: 10 December 2012
easyJet, Northern Ireland’s largest airline, is to increase its flights between Belfast International Airport and Birmingham in response to high demand.
A second Sunday flight departing at 13.25 from Belfast and 14.50 from Birmingham will be added to the schedule from 31 March 2013. Flights are now on sale at www.easyJet.com with fares from £22.99, one way including taxes.
easyJet began its Belfast International to Birmingham service in October 2012 and in just over one month has flown 14,000 passengers on the route. The additional frequency will add an estimated 13,000 passengers per year taking the total to 150,000.
Ali Gayward, easyJet Head of Northern Ireland said: “We only launched our Birmingham route in October and due to an overwhelming demand for affordable fares, we are delighted to announce the doubling of our Sunday flights. This additional frequency will see an increase from 12 to 13 flights per week.
“Our aim has always been to make travel easy and affordable and we’re delighted to be able to show further commitment to Northern Ireland by responding to demand and adding the extra service.
“Sunday is a strong travelling day for both business commuters and people on weekend breaks, therefore doubling our Sunday offering will give our passengers further choice in flight times at affordable prices..
Earlier this month easyJet introduced allocated seating on all Belfast flights from 27 November. This, and Flexi fares that allow passengers to change their flights up to two hours before departure, further reinforces easyJet’s position as Belfast’s leading airline for business passengers.
Published: 10 December 2012
easyJet, Northern Ireland’s largest airline, is to increase its flights between Belfast International Airport and Birmingham in response to high demand.
A second Sunday flight departing at 13.25 from Belfast and 14.50 from Birmingham will be added to the schedule from 31 March 2013. Flights are now on sale at www.easyJet.com with fares from £22.99, one way including taxes.
easyJet began its Belfast International to Birmingham service in October 2012 and in just over one month has flown 14,000 passengers on the route. The additional frequency will add an estimated 13,000 passengers per year taking the total to 150,000.
Ali Gayward, easyJet Head of Northern Ireland said: “We only launched our Birmingham route in October and due to an overwhelming demand for affordable fares, we are delighted to announce the doubling of our Sunday flights. This additional frequency will see an increase from 12 to 13 flights per week.
“Our aim has always been to make travel easy and affordable and we’re delighted to be able to show further commitment to Northern Ireland by responding to demand and adding the extra service.
“Sunday is a strong travelling day for both business commuters and people on weekend breaks, therefore doubling our Sunday offering will give our passengers further choice in flight times at affordable prices..
Earlier this month easyJet introduced allocated seating on all Belfast flights from 27 November. This, and Flexi fares that allow passengers to change their flights up to two hours before departure, further reinforces easyJet’s position as Belfast’s leading airline for business passengers.
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MUC Flights
this morning's LH service MUC-BHX had a 100% load, with some pax of the waiting list in MUC remaining behind. thanks to BMW staff shuttling and connecting pax LH seems not to be under too much pressure from the slightly later Monarch A321 service.
On a side note, last Friday's 0840 LX to ZRH was originally timetabled as an Avro, but then became an A319.
On a side note, last Friday's 0840 LX to ZRH was originally timetabled as an Avro, but then became an A319.
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If only. To-days announcement about the extra Belfast flight includes the phrase "showing our commitment to Northern Ireland". Nothing about a commitment to Birmingham.
Most of us have been hoping and praying for some good news for BHX since we would welcome them with open arms.
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Most of us have been hoping and praying for some good news for BHX since we would welcome them with open arms.
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The reason BA sold GO was it was taking up so much management time looking at what was happeneing at STN was hammering BA's core short haul which was already struggling.
BHX seems to dream of being some longhaul supplement to LHR which is sad because it never will be. BRS has provided an interesting comparison to BHX. It has tripled where the other has flatlined. There is a very simple reason for that.
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BRS has provided an interesting comparison to BHX. It has tripled where the other has flatlined. There is a very simple reason for that.
because BHX gained an SAS stockholm flight when BRS lost theirs?
because BHX consolidate and gain strong german links with lufthansa where bristol have not?
need i go on , yes bristol had some halycon days in the mid naughties compared to others and now they are in a state of consolidation as is BHX, and i don't believe BHX has flatlined. So what is the " interesting comparison" of these 2 airports WWW?
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Quick question. The deal between QF and EK, could it generate more pax for BHX and other uk airports out of London EK fly to?
Correct me if i'm wrong here but the passengers traveling down to Heathrow to travel with QF can now (from april 2013) travel from BHX on EK metal to Dubai and connect on QF flight to Australia............ right? Or am I getting this totally wrong??
Correct me if i'm wrong here but the passengers traveling down to Heathrow to travel with QF can now (from april 2013) travel from BHX on EK metal to Dubai and connect on QF flight to Australia............ right? Or am I getting this totally wrong??
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and i don't believe BHX has flatlined. So what is the " interesting comparison" of these 2 airports WWW?
Up to 2003 - steady rise to 9.1m
Peak in 2008 - 9.6m, so that was already pretty flat.
Now (2011) 8.6m.
If that isn't flat lining, what is?
As for Bristol, the city proper is half the size of Brum, and any wide catchment is dispersed over a much bigger area, so 5.8m pax is pretty good in comparison.
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because BHX retains the direct EWR flight where BRS have not ?
because BHX gained an SAS stockholm flight when BRS lost theirs?
because BHX consolidate and gain strong german links with lufthansa where bristol have not?
because BHX gained an SAS stockholm flight when BRS lost theirs?
because BHX consolidate and gain strong german links with lufthansa where bristol have not?
What sort of pax are best for the airports? Legacy business, breezing through the terminal, picking up a free paper and maybe a latte, or families parking their car, buying a full meal and loads of goodies?
I presume the up front pax generate a reasonable yield for use of the business lounge, but when is all said and done, what sort of passenger keeps the tills rolling for the longest?
Moreover, where is this "offer I can't refuse" Stelios asked for almost a decade ago? Why are we just parking FR jets instead of helping them launch more routes? Why have we accepted such piss-poor route development progress from BE?
Even when it comes to long haul, PHL came and went, DOH still just a rumour. Where's AUH? None of these need the extended runway. Would be good to see ORD return if the runway re-enables it, but how many more hubs is BHX going to feed?
Sure, the extension could bring more LH leisure - along with longer parking stays, more hotel use and more terminal spend perhaps, but this focus on the fantasy HS2+hub, rather than short term European loco routes can't make commercial sense.
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that is taking my post out of context , if you want stats :
Bristol 2008 - 6.2M
Now (2011) - 5.7M
percentage wise about the same...so both consolidating , anyway ., i don't want to make this a BRS V BHX thread i'm just a little miffed WWW added that at the bottom of his thread about Go and Gatwick or whatever ...
Bristol 2008 - 6.2M
Now (2011) - 5.7M
percentage wise about the same...so both consolidating , anyway ., i don't want to make this a BRS V BHX thread i'm just a little miffed WWW added that at the bottom of his thread about Go and Gatwick or whatever ...
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Quick question. The deal between QF and EK, could it generate more pax for BHX and other uk airports out of London EK fly to?
Correct me if i'm wrong here but the passengers traveling down to Heathrow to travel with QF can now (from april 2013) travel from BHX on EK metal to Dubai and connect on QF flight to Australia............ right? Or am I getting this totally wrong??
Interesting question, but in reality people from BHX could have connected in DXB to Australasia before the deal anyway.
Correct me if i'm wrong here but the passengers traveling down to Heathrow to travel with QF can now (from april 2013) travel from BHX on EK metal to Dubai and connect on QF flight to Australia............ right? Or am I getting this totally wrong??
Interesting question, but in reality people from BHX could have connected in DXB to Australasia before the deal anyway.
Some good points raised about flying to Australia. But overall I think cost may have a great deal to do with it as well. With APD rising again next year, flying from BHX might not necessarily be the best option. However if EK keep their regional fares lower than say BA do out of LHR then they could be on a winner.
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With APD rising again next year, flying from BHX might not necessarily be the best option.
I have heard claims that "large numbers" are using other airports for the longer legs, but not seen any verification.