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A Welsh MP has called for expansion of Birmingham rather than Heathrow. This may be good news for Birmingham Airport but surely he should concentrate more on his own national airport at Cardiff?
We must expand Birmingham - not Heathrow, Says Welsh MP - News Article
We must expand Birmingham - not Heathrow, Says Welsh MP - News Article
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There is nothing at present to stop airlines operating routes to/from any UK airport other than LHR.
Firstly, almost all regional airports have benefitted from a massive expansion in routes already due to the rise in low cost airlines, who can make point to point routes work to destinations other than legacy capital city hubs, and who can adjust frequency to suit yield.
Secondly, as it is totally ludicrous to suggest that BHX or even MAN can be anything other than low cost bases or feeder cities to legacy hubs, the only way to develop our own hub network is to support London. Any other routes will suck more money out through funding non-UK airlines, and they will almost certainly help to increase the tourism deficit. The same does not apply at LHR.
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Does anyone know if the new runway extension will involve the repositioning of the 33 threshold? In other words will the LDA increase on 33 or just the TORA?
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Runway 33 threshold
As previous poster correctly stated, runway 33 threshold will move to roughly abeam taxiway Charlie increasing LDA.
It is also worth noting that during the final 'link up' of the current runway to the new extension a lot of other works will be happening -
1- 33 Glideslope aerial will be repositioned from east side to west side. This will stop the current restrictions on taxiway 'C' whilst 33 is in use as the beam passes straight through the taxiway.
2- Obviously runway 15 localiser will be moved and possibly upgraded to a new model.
3- Total full length runway resurfacing. Basically the top layer of tarmac will be replaced and concrete ends and lead offs will be tarmaced. Not sure if it will be grooved or not. Also slight profiling on the runway to ease the 'hump'.
4- All runway lights to be replaced with new energy efficient LEDs.
Obviously this is a lot of work to undertake until final completion in spring 2014. The majority of the 'link up' is scheduled for autumn 2013 so pay close attention to your NOTAMs flyers. This would also result in downgrading to possibly CAT1 for a time, during the foggy season not ideal but has to be done.
On top of all this there's the fit out of new ATC tower coming online next year and a new watchman radar being installed near bird island
Thats a hell of a lot of investment, upgrades and major improvements going on at BHX over the next 2 years which is very pleasing to see.
It is also worth noting that during the final 'link up' of the current runway to the new extension a lot of other works will be happening -
1- 33 Glideslope aerial will be repositioned from east side to west side. This will stop the current restrictions on taxiway 'C' whilst 33 is in use as the beam passes straight through the taxiway.
2- Obviously runway 15 localiser will be moved and possibly upgraded to a new model.
3- Total full length runway resurfacing. Basically the top layer of tarmac will be replaced and concrete ends and lead offs will be tarmaced. Not sure if it will be grooved or not. Also slight profiling on the runway to ease the 'hump'.
4- All runway lights to be replaced with new energy efficient LEDs.
Obviously this is a lot of work to undertake until final completion in spring 2014. The majority of the 'link up' is scheduled for autumn 2013 so pay close attention to your NOTAMs flyers. This would also result in downgrading to possibly CAT1 for a time, during the foggy season not ideal but has to be done.
On top of all this there's the fit out of new ATC tower coming online next year and a new watchman radar being installed near bird island
Thats a hell of a lot of investment, upgrades and major improvements going on at BHX over the next 2 years which is very pleasing to see.
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Scroll down and BHX is to start followed by Luton with Manchester increased.
They are looking at Heathrow by the look of it.
Pete
Scroll down and BHX is to start followed by Luton with Manchester increased.
They are looking at Heathrow by the look of it.
Pete
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hit the nail on the head there Chris!
btw, a post without mentioning Maersk?!
are you losing your touch?
Do London customers want BHX? I doubt it. All HS2 will do (if it takes off) is take existing customers away from Brum. I for one would be quite happy to board a train to London and be there in 38 mins, then fly BA or RJ to Jordan. It's better than transiting AMS, CDG or FRA.
btw, a post without mentioning Maersk?!
are you losing your touch?
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Thanks for the full update on the runway ILS works,as you say excellent to see so much investment.
However I think that they won't do the LED runway lights as the initial cost Im told is huge. LED taxiway lights look likely though.
The CAA are still undecided about LED, and the LED runway lights at Manchester are on UK trial.Not sure how that works..do you rip them all out if they are no good, lol.
I also believe work on widening the tight parts of the taxiway will also not happen..They conform to CAA regs for up to A340-600 wheelbase and the shorter wheelbases of the 744 and 77W. Therefore no reason to fork out more.
For info BHX did look at buying Arrestor beds for the runway ends to improve RESA.However regs state you have to keep a spare one in a hangar to replace one if its deployed and they cost millions .
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Thanks for the full update on the runway ILS works,as you say excellent to see so much investment.
However I think that they won't do the LED runway lights as the initial cost Im told is huge. LED taxiway lights look likely though.
The CAA are still undecided about LED, and the LED runway lights at Manchester are on UK trial.Not sure how that works..do you rip them all out if they are no good, lol.
I also believe work on widening the tight parts of the taxiway will also not happen..They conform to CAA regs for up to A340-600 wheelbase and the shorter wheelbases of the 744 and 77W. Therefore no reason to fork out more.
For info BHX did look at buying Arrestor beds for the runway ends to improve RESA.However regs state you have to keep a spare one in a hangar to replace one if its deployed and they cost millions .
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Government support for Bhx expansion?
While she may have been accused of 'nimbyism', Justine Greening did nonetheless publicly support the present government's election manifesto of no third runway for Heathrow. And what did she get for it?, the boot!
So, the future strategy into aviation into the 'long grass' and a green light for Heathrow??
Never accept promises from politicians, men of straw, every one of them.
So, the future strategy into aviation into the 'long grass' and a green light for Heathrow??
Never accept promises from politicians, men of straw, every one of them.
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So, the future strategy into aviation into the 'long grass' and a green light for Heathrow??
Never accept promises from politicians, men of straw, every one of them.
Never accept promises from politicians, men of straw, every one of them.
The coalition aviation policy has been a dithering mess - and I say so as a Tory!
Greening should never have been given the job in the first place. How can you make fair judgements as a transport minister when you have such a partisan line on Heathrow? There would have been outrage at her appointment if she was on the HS2 line, there should have been similar outrage at her appointment given her alliance with HACAN and other anti-LHR groups.
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Jaibird,
Think we can expect a push for a third runway at LHR now with anti airport Greening gone, but not till after the election in 2015..
Would heavily depend on Labour or the Conservatives winning the election though as I think the Lib Dems will still have their heads deep in the sand over this matter.
Then long term a completely new airport with 4 runways, IMO probably inland close to LHR as discussed in the papers last few days, as thats the area that the airlines and connecting passengers want.Also close to where LHR current workforce live..
Like it or not its the only viable solution for a new hub..can they find enough ground to squeeze it in though ?
Would not be good for BHX ,although many years away.
Nigel
Think we can expect a push for a third runway at LHR now with anti airport Greening gone, but not till after the election in 2015..
Would heavily depend on Labour or the Conservatives winning the election though as I think the Lib Dems will still have their heads deep in the sand over this matter.
Then long term a completely new airport with 4 runways, IMO probably inland close to LHR as discussed in the papers last few days, as thats the area that the airlines and connecting passengers want.Also close to where LHR current workforce live..
Like it or not its the only viable solution for a new hub..can they find enough ground to squeeze it in though ?
Would not be good for BHX ,although many years away.
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There is another 2 going off to the SN wet lease but where did you see that there is 4 dash's being taken out of the fleet, I know one i leaving BHD but they are getting a E195 from SOU in replace.
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If the details are correct in the Aberdeen thread then it seems the BHX Q400 will be the one freed up by the 175 operating ABZ-BHX-ABZ rather than BHX-ABZ-BHX, which in fact will be a net increase in seats if four daily is maintained.
BHX of course gets an extra Q400 due to the Amsterdam starting so all in all winter is up unless there are any more cuts on the way. They could reduce the base by making Hanover once daily in the day but they seen keen to keep the evening Sunday-Friday service, which is probably deemed more business friendly.
Swiss
The evening service now shows OLT express in winter rather than Contactair. What a way to treat a service, Helvetic in the morning, lunchtime cancelled and the evening a new Loco carrier - surely not.
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If the details are correct in the Aberdeen thread then it seems the BHX Q400 will be the one freed up by the 175 operating ABZ-BHX-ABZ rather than BHX-ABZ-BHX, which in fact will be a net increase in seats if four daily is maintained.
BHX of course gets an extra Q400 due to the Amsterdam starting so all in all winter is up unless there are any more cuts on the way. They could reduce the base by making Hanover once daily in the day but they seen keen to keep the evening Sunday-Friday service, which is probably deemed more business friendly.
Swiss
The evening service now shows OLT express in winter rather than Contactair. What a way to treat a service, Helvetic in the morning, lunchtime cancelled and the evening a new Loco carrier - surely not.
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Are we looking at "Dying Route" syndrome ? Compare the situation with MAN where Swiss seem to maintaining their schedules. you never know perhaps LH will introduce a morning Berlin departure.
Perhaps the success of THY is causing a decline on the ZRH fom BHX.
Perhaps the success of THY is causing a decline on the ZRH fom BHX.
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Perhaps the success of THY is causing a decline on the ZRH fom BHX.
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jabird, Funny I have just booked BHX-IST in Oct with LX as opposed to TK based admittedly on price, flight not that much longer than the non-stop as very swift connections in ZRH.
It would seem that LX are not putting BHX at the top of their favourite route pile but hopefully this does not mean a pull off the route. Can't see who would realistically take this one over if they do? I though OLT Express had gone belly up in any case?
It would seem that LX are not putting BHX at the top of their favourite route pile but hopefully this does not mean a pull off the route. Can't see who would realistically take this one over if they do? I though OLT Express had gone belly up in any case?
