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On figures alone ZB obviously having a positive impact on MXP! As for NOC, increased frequency has increased pax numbers, shame EI haven't jumped in on what is likely to be a lost route come Sept.
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NOC
Great news about NOC (although not yet actually bookable) but not surprising as EI had their eye on this route before WW announced route increases. Good to have a daily service maybe next summer some flights will be upgraded to an Airbus?
So just NCE, PRG and LIS looking like they might drop off the destination map after Sept.....they have EZY written all over them but that idea is becoming increasingly like wishful thinking again....its just BFS to be from them as a year round route? I hope KL increase some rotations to 738 or 739 to cater for loss of WW on AMS route.
So just NCE, PRG and LIS looking like they might drop off the destination map after Sept.....they have EZY written all over them but that idea is becoming increasingly like wishful thinking again....its just BFS to be from them as a year round route? I hope KL increase some rotations to 738 or 739 to cater for loss of WW on AMS route.
I hope KL increase some rotations to 738 or 739 to cater for loss of WW on AMS route
On that basis, KL should be able to sweep up all the displaced WW passengers without greatly increasing capacity themselves.
Thats all very simplistic, but it raises the question as to whether increasing yield, which would be the result of a close on 100% load factor might be preferable to increasing available capacity? It would certainly be kinder to the environment!
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KLM/175
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It has been it GDS and the flybe timetable for months and still was last night.
However the seat-map has now changed back to the Q400
KLM
The lunchtime E190 is already showing as the B737-700W and 900's
on some of the other flights at various times.
Pete
It has been it GDS and the flybe timetable for months and still was last night.
However the seat-map has now changed back to the Q400
KLM
The lunchtime E190 is already showing as the B737-700W and 900's
on some of the other flights at various times.
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Monarch
The announcement is due later today I believe including Barcelona but
the booking engine shows eight based from the start of the school holidays.
Rome - goes daily with Monday & Wednesday added in the morning
Alicante - Tuesday and Sunday afternoon added (9 a week)
Palma - Tues & Thu afternoon plus Friday morning added (11 a week)
Malaga - Mon, Wed, Fri & Sunday afternoon added (3 daily Fri & Sun - 14 a week)
Ibiza - Wed afternoon added (will be 6 a week)
Tenerife - Saturday afternoon added (8 a week)
Could this leave BCN Tue/Th/Sa/Sun morning & Monday afternoon?
I have obviously missed some as there are gaps but this might not be
the full schedule.
Pete
the booking engine shows eight based from the start of the school holidays.
Rome - goes daily with Monday & Wednesday added in the morning
Alicante - Tuesday and Sunday afternoon added (9 a week)
Palma - Tues & Thu afternoon plus Friday morning added (11 a week)
Malaga - Mon, Wed, Fri & Sunday afternoon added (3 daily Fri & Sun - 14 a week)
Ibiza - Wed afternoon added (will be 6 a week)
Tenerife - Saturday afternoon added (8 a week)
Could this leave BCN Tue/Th/Sa/Sun morning & Monday afternoon?
I have obviously missed some as there are gaps but this might not be
the full schedule.
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NCE? Well that is a surprise. According to the BMI Baby Schedule, they will operate BHX-NCE-BHX until September 10th whereas EMA-NCE-EMA will stop on June 10th... is this a popular route even during winter?
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With BCN and NCE added it's now eight based ZB at BHX?
I don't think BHX-NCE has ever operated right through the winter and looking at ZB timetable it seems to finish at the end of Oct, unless they are still tweaking the winter schedule? It might work ex BHX 2/3 times pw in winter though? I do have a feeling though that WW did operate it during the winter (at some point) from EMA?
Flight times much better for BHX-BCN than WW managed. I like the fact that ZB are operating at the same time every day unlike WW whose times and days operated seem to change wildly on an almost weekly basis....
With BCN and NCE added it's now eight based ZB at BHX?
I don't think BHX-NCE has ever operated right through the winter and looking at ZB timetable it seems to finish at the end of Oct, unless they are still tweaking the winter schedule? It might work ex BHX 2/3 times pw in winter though? I do have a feeling though that WW did operate it during the winter (at some point) from EMA?
Flight times much better for BHX-BCN than WW managed. I like the fact that ZB are operating at the same time every day unlike WW whose times and days operated seem to change wildly on an almost weekly basis....
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You are probably right, it's probably more strategical than likely this route will continue non-stop over Winter 12'.
It just seems odd that two airlines will compete from July to September but eh NCE gotta be more profitable than I thought.
..and with low fares starting from 5€, you can't go wrong with this!
You are probably right, it's probably more strategical than likely this route will continue non-stop over Winter 12'.
It just seems odd that two airlines will compete from July to September but eh NCE gotta be more profitable than I thought.
..and with low fares starting from 5€, you can't go wrong with this!
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The second 175 seems to have changed route but it is difficult to keep up with the changes.
The 175 is due late May at BHX and at present it starts on BHX-STR on1/6/12 but it then changes on 11/6/12 to BHX-GLA replacing the BHX based 195.
This 195 then starts on the current Q400 flight first out on BHX-BHD.
Next two 175 deliveries
Flybe
Therefore the spare 195 remains as it is now spare/stand-by.
Monarch
Very impressive schedule in high-summer with a minimum of 16 departures a day with a high of 19 on a Saturday.
GF - I think Baby operated Nice one winter at twice weekly Tuesday and Saturday but it lasted just the one season.
I would hope for BCN to continue.
Still plenty of rumours doing the rounds but away from the ex Baby routes.
Pete
The second 175 seems to have changed route but it is difficult to keep up with the changes.
The 175 is due late May at BHX and at present it starts on BHX-STR on1/6/12 but it then changes on 11/6/12 to BHX-GLA replacing the BHX based 195.
This 195 then starts on the current Q400 flight first out on BHX-BHD.
Next two 175 deliveries
Flybe
Therefore the spare 195 remains as it is now spare/stand-by.
Monarch
Very impressive schedule in high-summer with a minimum of 16 departures a day with a high of 19 on a Saturday.
GF - I think Baby operated Nice one winter at twice weekly Tuesday and Saturday but it lasted just the one season.
I would hope for BCN to continue.
Still plenty of rumours doing the rounds but away from the ex Baby routes.
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April route analysis - schedule International
Monthly passengers figures from the CAA the rest are estimates from using a BHX blog and libhomeradar. However a difficult month with Easter cancellations and libhomeradar having gaps in respect of the data.
Anything with flybe is estimated usually based on expected rotations with some deductions to take into account of Easter.
Schedule flights only with the 2011 figures in brackets if the route has a mixture of schedule and IT pax, with only the schedule pax shown.
AMSTERDAM 42,671 down -2.98 - 104 pax pr flight - 78% load factor
DUBLIN 41,554 down -3.28 - 121 pax - 67%
DUBAI 39,490 down -12.37 - 329 pax - 77%
ALICANTE 26365 (22767) - 155 pax - 83%
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE) 30,171 up 7.42 - 91 pax - 79%
MALAGA 25862 (27477) - 154 pax - 83%
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA) 16075 (16679) - 167 pax - 83%
FRANKFURT MAIN 23,737 down -1.23 - 101 pax - 66%
PALMA DE MALLORCA 13464 (13375) - 143 pax - 75%
FARO 16,765 down -13.43 - 155 pax - 80%
ARRECIFE 8103 (9826) - 169 pax - 84%
MUNICH 13,353 up 23.67 - 85 pax - 73%
DUSSELDORF 13,171 down -2.00 - 47 pax - 55%
ZURICH 11,607 down -5.30 - 68 pax - 69%
ISLAMABAD 10,121 up 0.18 - 298 pax - 85%
LAS PALMAS 6002 (5615) - 167 pax - 83%
PAPHOS 3349 (nil) - 186 pax - 87%
ROME (FIUMICINO) 8,513 n/a 0.00 - 109 pax - 67%
DALAMAN 3409 (2833) - 189 pax - 88%
BRUSSELS 8,366 down -4.03 - 44 pax - 55%
FUERTEVENTURA 4720 (5307) - 139 pax - 69%
ISTANBUL 7,428 up 51.04 - 124 pax - 79%
MURCIA SAN JAVIER 6,982 down -5.64 - 125 pax - 73%
COPENHAGEN 6,979 down -2.21 - 79 pax - 71%
HANOVER 5241 (4641) - 51 pax - 60%
NEW YORK (NEWARK) 6,650 down -23.34 - 151 pax - 89%
LARNACA 5000 (6895) - 192 pax - 90%
GENEVA 4952 (6957) - 138 pax - 89%
CORK 6,371 up 8.33 - 53 pax - 74%
ASHKHABAD 5,629 up 4.01 - 156 pax - 83%
MILAN (MALPENSA) 5,425 up 53.16 - 63 pax - 41%
IRELAND WEST(KNOCK) 5,232 up 33.40 - 109 pax - 73%
GERONA 4,787 up 28.54 - 141 pax - 75%
PRAGUE 4,378 n/a 0.00 - 122 pax - 82%
KATOWICE 4,232 up 42.20 - 163 pax - 86%
BYDGOSZCZ 4,070 down -6.95 - 170 pax - 90%
BARCELONA 3,913 n/a 0.00 - 109 pax - 73%
BRATISLAVA 3,844 down -9.55 - 160 pax - 85%
VENICE 3,592 up 1532.73 - 106 pax - 61%
REUS 3,544 down -0.53 - 136 pax - 72%
NICE 3,438 up 14.07 - 107 pax - 72%
IBIZA 3,392 up 13.18 - 131 pax - 69%
ALMERIA 3,363 up 17.88 - 187 pax - 87%
STUTTGART 2909 (2711) - 34 pax - 43%
RZESZOW 3,001 up 13.85 - 167 pax - 88%
SHANNON 2,976 down -0.30 - 50 pax - 69%
MALTA 2,976 down -36.56 - 165 pax - 87%
KAUNAS 2,870 up 7.73 - 159 pax - 84%
GDANSK 2,587 down -8.03 - 162 pax - 86%
MAHON 2,489 down -15.31 - 138 pax - 72%
BUDAPEST 2,367 n/a 0.00 - 148 pax - 78%
MONTPELLIER 2,308 up 32.72 - 128 pax - 68%
HAMBURG 2,036 up 2.11 - 39 pax - 50%
TRIESTE 1,951 up 2.52 - 108 pax - 57%
LISBON 1,749 n/a 0.00 - 109 pax - 73%
WATERFORD 1,554 up 28.96 - 26 pax - 33%
GRENOBLE 1,192 down -30.25 - 119 pax - 76%
GOTEBORG 1,049 down -14.02 - 26 pax - 59%
Pete
Anything with flybe is estimated usually based on expected rotations with some deductions to take into account of Easter.
Schedule flights only with the 2011 figures in brackets if the route has a mixture of schedule and IT pax, with only the schedule pax shown.
AMSTERDAM 42,671 down -2.98 - 104 pax pr flight - 78% load factor
DUBLIN 41,554 down -3.28 - 121 pax - 67%
DUBAI 39,490 down -12.37 - 329 pax - 77%
ALICANTE 26365 (22767) - 155 pax - 83%
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE) 30,171 up 7.42 - 91 pax - 79%
MALAGA 25862 (27477) - 154 pax - 83%
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA) 16075 (16679) - 167 pax - 83%
FRANKFURT MAIN 23,737 down -1.23 - 101 pax - 66%
PALMA DE MALLORCA 13464 (13375) - 143 pax - 75%
FARO 16,765 down -13.43 - 155 pax - 80%
ARRECIFE 8103 (9826) - 169 pax - 84%
MUNICH 13,353 up 23.67 - 85 pax - 73%
DUSSELDORF 13,171 down -2.00 - 47 pax - 55%
ZURICH 11,607 down -5.30 - 68 pax - 69%
ISLAMABAD 10,121 up 0.18 - 298 pax - 85%
LAS PALMAS 6002 (5615) - 167 pax - 83%
PAPHOS 3349 (nil) - 186 pax - 87%
ROME (FIUMICINO) 8,513 n/a 0.00 - 109 pax - 67%
DALAMAN 3409 (2833) - 189 pax - 88%
BRUSSELS 8,366 down -4.03 - 44 pax - 55%
FUERTEVENTURA 4720 (5307) - 139 pax - 69%
ISTANBUL 7,428 up 51.04 - 124 pax - 79%
MURCIA SAN JAVIER 6,982 down -5.64 - 125 pax - 73%
COPENHAGEN 6,979 down -2.21 - 79 pax - 71%
HANOVER 5241 (4641) - 51 pax - 60%
NEW YORK (NEWARK) 6,650 down -23.34 - 151 pax - 89%
LARNACA 5000 (6895) - 192 pax - 90%
GENEVA 4952 (6957) - 138 pax - 89%
CORK 6,371 up 8.33 - 53 pax - 74%
ASHKHABAD 5,629 up 4.01 - 156 pax - 83%
MILAN (MALPENSA) 5,425 up 53.16 - 63 pax - 41%
IRELAND WEST(KNOCK) 5,232 up 33.40 - 109 pax - 73%
GERONA 4,787 up 28.54 - 141 pax - 75%
PRAGUE 4,378 n/a 0.00 - 122 pax - 82%
KATOWICE 4,232 up 42.20 - 163 pax - 86%
BYDGOSZCZ 4,070 down -6.95 - 170 pax - 90%
BARCELONA 3,913 n/a 0.00 - 109 pax - 73%
BRATISLAVA 3,844 down -9.55 - 160 pax - 85%
VENICE 3,592 up 1532.73 - 106 pax - 61%
REUS 3,544 down -0.53 - 136 pax - 72%
NICE 3,438 up 14.07 - 107 pax - 72%
IBIZA 3,392 up 13.18 - 131 pax - 69%
ALMERIA 3,363 up 17.88 - 187 pax - 87%
STUTTGART 2909 (2711) - 34 pax - 43%
RZESZOW 3,001 up 13.85 - 167 pax - 88%
SHANNON 2,976 down -0.30 - 50 pax - 69%
MALTA 2,976 down -36.56 - 165 pax - 87%
KAUNAS 2,870 up 7.73 - 159 pax - 84%
GDANSK 2,587 down -8.03 - 162 pax - 86%
MAHON 2,489 down -15.31 - 138 pax - 72%
BUDAPEST 2,367 n/a 0.00 - 148 pax - 78%
MONTPELLIER 2,308 up 32.72 - 128 pax - 68%
HAMBURG 2,036 up 2.11 - 39 pax - 50%
TRIESTE 1,951 up 2.52 - 108 pax - 57%
LISBON 1,749 n/a 0.00 - 109 pax - 73%
WATERFORD 1,554 up 28.96 - 26 pax - 33%
GRENOBLE 1,192 down -30.25 - 119 pax - 76%
GOTEBORG 1,049 down -14.02 - 26 pax - 59%
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Monarch indeed expanding operations in Birmingham for late S12:
Birmingham – Barcelona NEW 4 weekly service
Birmingham – Nice NEW 1 Daily service
Birmingham – Alicante 3 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Dalaman 1 additional weekly flight
Birmingham – Faro 2 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Ibiza 1 additional weekly flight
Birmingham – Malaga 4 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Palma Malloca 3 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Rome 2 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Tenerife 1 additional weekly flight
And for Summer 2013, these routes will be operating on year-round basis:
Birmingham – Barcelona
Birmingham – Funchal
Birmingham – Munich
Birmingham – Nice
Birmingham – Sharm el Sheikh
Birmingham – Barcelona NEW 4 weekly service
Birmingham – Nice NEW 1 Daily service
Birmingham – Alicante 3 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Dalaman 1 additional weekly flight
Birmingham – Faro 2 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Ibiza 1 additional weekly flight
Birmingham – Malaga 4 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Palma Malloca 3 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Rome 2 additional weekly flights
Birmingham – Tenerife 1 additional weekly flight
And for Summer 2013, these routes will be operating on year-round basis:
Birmingham – Barcelona
Birmingham – Funchal
Birmingham – Munich
Birmingham – Nice
Birmingham – Sharm el Sheikh
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On the basis that it is relevant to airlines operating out of Bhx, are there any rumours as to who might snap up the BMI-baby check-in area at the airport. Would be an ideal fit for Easy if it was to move in with a fresh raft of destinations......
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Dubai figures down again. No chance of a 3rd service or an A380 for the foreseeable future
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The big problem BHX has is that it just can't entice enough first or business class passengers.
With Emirates they only needed to fill 4 first class seats and 24 business class seats per flight ,to get the 3 class 77Ws MAN,LGW,GLA,LHR has. Yet obviously EK don't think they can as BHX still flies 2 class.
It is therefore a huge step up to fill twice as many first class and business class seats on an A380.They don't operate any in 2 class.
Nigel
The big problem BHX has is that it just can't entice enough first or business class passengers.
With Emirates they only needed to fill 4 first class seats and 24 business class seats per flight ,to get the 3 class 77Ws MAN,LGW,GLA,LHR has. Yet obviously EK don't think they can as BHX still flies 2 class.
It is therefore a huge step up to fill twice as many first class and business class seats on an A380.They don't operate any in 2 class.
Nigel