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Crewmeal ,
you would expect BHX to be very keen to announce the Emirates A380 coming in daily from the opening of the runway..unless they have a cargo airline lined up for JLR flts to China ?
They will want something big to announce and advertising its opening.
Nigel
you would expect BHX to be very keen to announce the Emirates A380 coming in daily from the opening of the runway..unless they have a cargo airline lined up for JLR flts to China ?
They will want something big to announce and advertising its opening.
Nigel
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Andrew, yes agree with you, probably add Calgary and Las Vegas too. Problem is that with TCX and MON sharply reducing long haul,that leaves only Thomson and at a push possibly Virgin.
Nigel
Andrew, yes agree with you, probably add Calgary and Las Vegas too. Problem is that with TCX and MON sharply reducing long haul,that leaves only Thomson and at a push possibly Virgin.
Nigel
Good point raised Nigel. My view on this is how much the Chinese will promote the new MG at Longbridge. So far nothing much has happened. The odd press call on a bog standard car is all I've seen so far. If they are a serious contender in the car market, then they have a long way to go. If they are successful then you would probably see direct flights to and from China, freighters or passenger jets.
The way US carriers are going I don't see anything happening at all. AA are downsizing and are in Chapter 11. United and Continental have merged and it seems BHX is hanging on to the EWR route by the skin of its teeth. That only leaves Asian and Middle East carriers. Air India have proved they're not interested and have their own financial problems. Kingfisher have all most gone to the wall. PIA are holding their own, but for how long? with the threat of being banned from European skies who knows what's next for them. That only leaves EK dominating the market. At best I think we could see a daily A380 back and forth to DXB. That may even come before the extension is complete. Then again if QR came on the scene then the chances of an A380 would diminish.
With the latest reports coming from the LH camp regarding the sale of BMI, that in itself is not good news. Slots up for grabs if the sale falls through because of our 'friends' in Brussels? Middle East carriers bidding for them? Even if the sale goes through I can't see BHX gaining anything. In my view the only way BHX would gain is if the govt of the day said that's it to any further expansion to LHR and ordered new carriers to use regional airports.
The way US carriers are going I don't see anything happening at all. AA are downsizing and are in Chapter 11. United and Continental have merged and it seems BHX is hanging on to the EWR route by the skin of its teeth. That only leaves Asian and Middle East carriers. Air India have proved they're not interested and have their own financial problems. Kingfisher have all most gone to the wall. PIA are holding their own, but for how long? with the threat of being banned from European skies who knows what's next for them. That only leaves EK dominating the market. At best I think we could see a daily A380 back and forth to DXB. That may even come before the extension is complete. Then again if QR came on the scene then the chances of an A380 would diminish.
With the latest reports coming from the LH camp regarding the sale of BMI, that in itself is not good news. Slots up for grabs if the sale falls through because of our 'friends' in Brussels? Middle East carriers bidding for them? Even if the sale goes through I can't see BHX gaining anything. In my view the only way BHX would gain is if the govt of the day said that's it to any further expansion to LHR and ordered new carriers to use regional airports.
They will want something big to announce and advertising its opening
As for anything else of substance, as I said before, the jury is out, though I can't say I'm quite as pessimistic as crewmeal.
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Crewmeal,
Yes have to agree with most of what you said. Like you think it will take Govt action and some sweetners to get more long haul carriers into BHX in the short term.
I would say that the arrival of the Chinese premier into Birmingham, and not visiting any other regional area was a significant one.So would not be surprised to see some freighter scheds to China in the next few years.
Whats slightly worrying is China is now planning plants over there..lets hope they don't transfer everything.
Nigel
Yes have to agree with most of what you said. Like you think it will take Govt action and some sweetners to get more long haul carriers into BHX in the short term.
I would say that the arrival of the Chinese premier into Birmingham, and not visiting any other regional area was a significant one.So would not be surprised to see some freighter scheds to China in the next few years.
Whats slightly worrying is China is now planning plants over there..lets hope they don't transfer everything.
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Air France ended service direct to Lyon today with no sign of a replacement.
Sunday will also see the CRJ1000 on the evening Paris despite the A320 operating in place of the usual A318 during the winter schedule.
Turkish will be daily from Sunday after another week of upgrades with the A321's appearing often.
The airport website is now showing the new Monarch routes for Sunday including Venice, Rome & Milan with Palma & Paphos restarting - a total of ten flights Sunday.
flybe Waterford starts Sunday and increase on Glasgow and Belfast City.
flybe send two Q400's out tomorrow empty to Brussels in full Brussels Airlines scheme in readiness for Sunday. SN2047/8/9 on Sunday will be operated by flybe and the other one should end up in Hanover overnight.
Sanford re-started today with Thomson and Montego Bay's turn tomorrow.
Swiss should add the RJ100 on evening flight next week in place of the F100
before the service decreases for 8 weeks to two daily from 23/4.
Little change with Lufthansa and SAS in April other than Dusseldorf should see the CRJ700 from mid-month on two of three flights until mid-June. Hamburg starts in May and Berlin in June.
Lufthansa reveal their top destinations from BHX via their German hubs: -
China boom from Birmingham Airport - Birmingham News - News - Birmingham Mail
Aer Lingus changes are mainly in May with the extra Cork and Dublin.
On another positive note some decent business for BHX via Cargo AN12's - these were the Thursday movements.
D 0735 MEM4088 UR-CAK
A 0815 MEM4061 UR-CGV
A 0840 MEM4063 UR-CGW
D 0945 MEM4086 UR-CGV
A 1005 SWW2108 UR-CAF
D 1040 SWW2109 UR-CAF
D 1225 MEM4096 UR-CGW
A 1540 MEM4089 UR-CAK
A 1745 MEM4087 UR-CGV
D 1950 MEM4090 UR-CGV
Pete
Sunday will also see the CRJ1000 on the evening Paris despite the A320 operating in place of the usual A318 during the winter schedule.
Turkish will be daily from Sunday after another week of upgrades with the A321's appearing often.
The airport website is now showing the new Monarch routes for Sunday including Venice, Rome & Milan with Palma & Paphos restarting - a total of ten flights Sunday.
flybe Waterford starts Sunday and increase on Glasgow and Belfast City.
flybe send two Q400's out tomorrow empty to Brussels in full Brussels Airlines scheme in readiness for Sunday. SN2047/8/9 on Sunday will be operated by flybe and the other one should end up in Hanover overnight.
Sanford re-started today with Thomson and Montego Bay's turn tomorrow.
Swiss should add the RJ100 on evening flight next week in place of the F100
before the service decreases for 8 weeks to two daily from 23/4.
Little change with Lufthansa and SAS in April other than Dusseldorf should see the CRJ700 from mid-month on two of three flights until mid-June. Hamburg starts in May and Berlin in June.
Lufthansa reveal their top destinations from BHX via their German hubs: -
China boom from Birmingham Airport - Birmingham News - News - Birmingham Mail
Aer Lingus changes are mainly in May with the extra Cork and Dublin.
On another positive note some decent business for BHX via Cargo AN12's - these were the Thursday movements.
D 0735 MEM4088 UR-CAK
A 0815 MEM4061 UR-CGV
A 0840 MEM4063 UR-CGW
D 0945 MEM4086 UR-CGV
A 1005 SWW2108 UR-CAF
D 1040 SWW2109 UR-CAF
D 1225 MEM4096 UR-CGW
A 1540 MEM4089 UR-CAK
A 1745 MEM4087 UR-CGV
D 1950 MEM4090 UR-CGV
Pete
China boom from Birmingham Airport - Birmingham News - News - Birmingham Mail
This article is positive in itself and an excellent advert for LH. However one of the main reasons for passengers travelling this way must be due to APD. As suggested elsewhere on this forum it would be far cheaper to fly to a EU destination then onwards to the Far East. After 2013 the new charges suggest an additional £200 to a long haul ticket will only leave EU carriers benefiting from APD. Direct long haul expansion, even with the extended runway? I don't think so.
This article is positive in itself and an excellent advert for LH. However one of the main reasons for passengers travelling this way must be due to APD. As suggested elsewhere on this forum it would be far cheaper to fly to a EU destination then onwards to the Far East. After 2013 the new charges suggest an additional £200 to a long haul ticket will only leave EU carriers benefiting from APD. Direct long haul expansion, even with the extended runway? I don't think so.
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Interesting point - BHX are going to have to do some major landing fee sweeteners to attract the big birds in, something they are not renowned for....but I can't see them wanting top open the new extension without a headline grabbing new route or airline.
Looking at it the other way, if a few popular long haul routes do take off (am thinking India, at a push Singapore and China), will there be enough connecting/point to point traffic remaining on LH/AF/LX/KL for these routes to continue with present high frequencies and aircraft used?
Good luck to ZB, new schedule starts tomorrow, new based a/c and routes, lets hope its a positive start and the beginning of further expansion of their BHX routes
Looking at it the other way, if a few popular long haul routes do take off (am thinking India, at a push Singapore and China), will there be enough connecting/point to point traffic remaining on LH/AF/LX/KL for these routes to continue with present high frequencies and aircraft used?
Good luck to ZB, new schedule starts tomorrow, new based a/c and routes, lets hope its a positive start and the beginning of further expansion of their BHX routes
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Gayfriendly,
Im told ALL airlines that start new scheduled destinations out of BHX get offered the same fees deal.
First year free, then each year a stepped increase.
90% of getting an airline to come into an airport, is down to the airline wanting the route, if it feels there is a market to make money.
Airlines therefore will not come to BHX because they get freebies , but only if they think they can make money for a lengthy period on it.
Nigel
Im told ALL airlines that start new scheduled destinations out of BHX get offered the same fees deal.
First year free, then each year a stepped increase.
90% of getting an airline to come into an airport, is down to the airline wanting the route, if it feels there is a market to make money.
Airlines therefore will not come to BHX because they get freebies , but only if they think they can make money for a lengthy period on it.
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I don't know how they dream this stuff up, but read through this article, and you will see that there is a plan to rename BHX as London Birmingham Airport. Hilarious!
Countryside planning revolution: 'new city' proposed for Midlands - Telegraph
Countryside planning revolution: 'new city' proposed for Midlands - Telegraph
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Quote: "I don't know how they dream this stuff up, but read through this article, and you will see that there is a plan to rename BHX as London Birmingham Airport. Hilarious!
Countryside planning revolution: 'new city' proposed for Midlands - Telegraph 24th Mar 2012 22:05"
Firestorm, a new city near HS2 and BHX could do Coventry no favours. More likely is that it will be a "dormitory suburb" for Coventry and Birmingham rather than a "new city". It could just a case of more people to moan about noise at "London-Birmingham International Airport". Taking the situation at LHR for example, moaners don't neccessarily have to be under the flightpath and/or practically on the airport.
As for Coventry becoming a part of a "greater Birmingham conurbation" as suggested in the article, it already is, only it's called "West Midlands" rather than "Greater Birmingham". As the second city of the conurbation it's a similar situation to Croydon and London, or Bradford and Leeds.
Quote: "Interesting point - BHX are going to have to do some major landing fee sweeteners to attract the big birds in, something they are not renowned for....but I can't see them wanting top open the new extension without a headline grabbing new route or airline.
Looking at it the other way, if a few popular long haul routes do take off (am thinking India, at a push Singapore and China), will there be enough connecting/point to point traffic remaining on LH/AF/LX/KL for these routes to continue with present high frequencies and aircraft used?"
GayFriendly, regretably direct long haul flights ex-BHX are unlikely at this time:
(1) endless APD increases threaten any potential viability as it deters discretionary (e.g. VFR) traffic;
(2) there is relatively little transfer traffic at BHX;
(3) there are overlapping catchment areas - BHX is stuck between MAN and an eventually to be expanded LHR;
(4) any non-LHR direct flights by Asian carriers (or BA/VS for that matter (highly unlikely of course)) would probably do MAN before BHX;
(5) KL, LH, etc., appear to have the shortest routes sown up and EK is mopping up the long way round.
If any long haul carrier comes to BHX after the runway extension, would expect it to be QR or EY, but it is unlikely that they have a stomach for a fight with long-established EK.
Countryside planning revolution: 'new city' proposed for Midlands - Telegraph 24th Mar 2012 22:05"
Firestorm, a new city near HS2 and BHX could do Coventry no favours. More likely is that it will be a "dormitory suburb" for Coventry and Birmingham rather than a "new city". It could just a case of more people to moan about noise at "London-Birmingham International Airport". Taking the situation at LHR for example, moaners don't neccessarily have to be under the flightpath and/or practically on the airport.
As for Coventry becoming a part of a "greater Birmingham conurbation" as suggested in the article, it already is, only it's called "West Midlands" rather than "Greater Birmingham". As the second city of the conurbation it's a similar situation to Croydon and London, or Bradford and Leeds.
Quote: "Interesting point - BHX are going to have to do some major landing fee sweeteners to attract the big birds in, something they are not renowned for....but I can't see them wanting top open the new extension without a headline grabbing new route or airline.
Looking at it the other way, if a few popular long haul routes do take off (am thinking India, at a push Singapore and China), will there be enough connecting/point to point traffic remaining on LH/AF/LX/KL for these routes to continue with present high frequencies and aircraft used?"
GayFriendly, regretably direct long haul flights ex-BHX are unlikely at this time:
(1) endless APD increases threaten any potential viability as it deters discretionary (e.g. VFR) traffic;
(2) there is relatively little transfer traffic at BHX;
(3) there are overlapping catchment areas - BHX is stuck between MAN and an eventually to be expanded LHR;
(4) any non-LHR direct flights by Asian carriers (or BA/VS for that matter (highly unlikely of course)) would probably do MAN before BHX;
(5) KL, LH, etc., appear to have the shortest routes sown up and EK is mopping up the long way round.
If any long haul carrier comes to BHX after the runway extension, would expect it to be QR or EY, but it is unlikely that they have a stomach for a fight with long-established EK.
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bmi operated flights to FRA
I notice that the LH flights operated by bmi to Frankfurt have been using a 319 since the weekend - previously a 320. Anyone know whether this is a permanent change for the summer timetable or a temporary change?
John.
Addition:
Just noticed that the 320 en-route from MAN this evening returns to BHX and the 319 from BHX returns to MAN so it was probably a swap for maintenance/refit reasons.
John.
Addition:
Just noticed that the 320 en-route from MAN this evening returns to BHX and the 319 from BHX returns to MAN so it was probably a swap for maintenance/refit reasons.
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Regarding direct BHX-China servicess; if the potential for a flight was there shouldn't we be seeing more direct flights to China now? If one looks at the amount of flights that leave the UK for the US and compare it to the amount that leave direct to China there is a vast difference. Yes, there are more options to China via European hubs, the Middle East and Asia but Air China just about manage to fill an A330 out of LHR so why should BHX do as well and/or better?
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I was one of the many delayed at BHX on Saturday morning due to the fog. I was waiting in the Servisair lounge for the 09:00 to FRA. Several times a member of staff representing UA/CO came in and updated the passengers bound for EWR on the position of their aircraft (PIK) and the likely departure time. At no time was tehre any update for the FRA or DUS passengers. I had to find out what was going on from the LH app on my phone. Finally when the plane arrived the ground staff did their usual trick of getting passengers to the gate long before they were ready to start boarding. Then it took them 30 minutes to board a 735. LH really should change their handling agents (or are the others just as hopeless?).
BTW I noticed an LH E95 parked on a remote stand on Saturday and it was still there on Monday afternoon. Anyone have any idea what happened?
BTW I noticed an LH E95 parked on a remote stand on Saturday and it was still there on Monday afternoon. Anyone have any idea what happened?
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Bob, on the subject of calling forward pax to the gate early, I am afraid this is due to the pressure that the airlines place on handling agents to achive "on time departures", and as you state "it took 30 mins to board a 735", this last statement sums up the reasoning behind servisair and other GHA's calling pax forward early as boarding the aircraft via an airbridge can take a long time, especially as more often that not the cabin crew are content to let pax block the aisle while the take time to put various items in the overhead lockers and then remember that their daily newspaper is up there !!
So please have a little patience with the handling agents and just take the time to watch the boarding routine in the aircraft aisle next time.
So please have a little patience with the handling agents and just take the time to watch the boarding routine in the aircraft aisle next time.
@dionysius What an offensive and utterly stupid thing to say!!! What do u expect the cabin crew to do? Get a whip out and make people sit down as quickly as possible? Passengers have their own minds and should take responsibility for their own actions! It's people's own selfishness that causes blockages in the aisles and if you are an expert on this matter then I would love to hear how you suggest how we get people sat!!!??? UTTER DRIBBLE!
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Boarding aircraft
787Heaven said
Simple, board aircraft from the rear by seat row. The problem now is may airlines have priority boarding, allocated seating etc. I remember boarding large numbers of passengers on 767s/A300 etc in this way and I do remember Brittania using this method even for 757.
Can I add that by getting everyone to the gate early means they can get hold of the inevitable wonderers and stragglers that would potentially further delay an already delayed departure (In this case due to fog).
@dionysius What an offensive and utterly stupid thing to say!!! What do u expect the cabin crew to do? Get a whip out and make people sit down as quickly as possible? Passengers have their own minds and should take responsibility for their own actions! It's people's own selfishness that causes blockages in the aisles and if you are an expert on this matter then I would love to hear how you suggest how we get people sat!!!??? UTTER DRIBBLE!
Can I add that by getting everyone to the gate early means they can get hold of the inevitable wonderers and stragglers that would potentially further delay an already delayed departure (In this case due to fog).