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Old 4th Feb 2012, 10:22
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GALXN - I suppose the reason I'm so negative about Flybe is based on personal experience. Two flights to Milan on a Q400 both flights delayed because of technical reasons, one flight to Dusseldorf cancelled and rerouted. A further incident regarding ticketing and fares and unresolved.

I checked with my colleague about charges and he said he was charged around £2.

In a market where the Government's policy on Air Passenger Duty is killing domestic business
Agreed and it will go up on April 1st and therefore more domestic services will no doubt dwindle.
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It has already started..... Man and LHR are bemoaning the fact that their aiports cannot cope with a snow shower.

But down in the deepest of the Marches, what was it like in BHX, did it lose any flights. Did it gain any flights?

Here, 2cms, absolute chaos....
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Old 4th Feb 2012, 21:43
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Monty Gordo re BHX sno clo

The snow did get heavier late evening..however as always with BHX I cannot understand why they seem to have no plan.

At EMA/MAN and others that also had the snow, they closed but gave an estimate of time likely to open and seemed to hit that time bang on.

However at BHX..its now stopped snowing an hour ago and raining yet still no one seems to have a clue what time it will open.

48 hrs warning of this snow and still a shambles

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Old 4th Feb 2012, 23:10
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As I understand it they waited to start clearing it until the snow had fully stopped, so this would add a few hours after it stopped

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Old 5th Feb 2012, 09:28
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Nigel

48 hrs warning of this snow and still a shambles
This snow was forecast almost a week ago, and whilst LHR quite rightly gets the brickbats from the (London) media the performance at all the major UK airports, in the face a few centimetres of snow is lamentable.
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Was 12 hours before it reopened at 6am.

Lots of praise for all the guys who spent all night working really hard to clear it.

However operationally why it took so long when other airports with more snow reopened in a quarter of the time, I am at a loss ?

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Old 5th Feb 2012, 10:47
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In the last 8 years of flying out of BHX, this always happens, when they shut they shut for at least 12 hours when other airports seem to manage to open much quicker. I appreciate it's hard work for all involved, by why does BHX seem to get it so wrong every time?

Just very glad we got back in last night about 15 mins before it closed.
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Old 5th Feb 2012, 10:55
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Ryanair December 2011

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Estimated Ryanair pax at BHX in December 2011 67142, which is 13% of the
BHX monthly passenger figure. At a guess I would probably say it was nearer 70000 as I believe they carry more than Aer Lingus on the Dublin but possibly less of a % than Monarch on their shared routes.

Load Factor estimated at 71% although 8 of the 17 routes operated were
shared with other airlines, which means that this is only an estimate but I would say no more than 75%.

I noted 498 FR movements in December 2011 which was 9% of all BHX ATM's and this was slightly up on 2010 where the CAA punctuality stats indicates 464 Ryanair movements (weather cancellations?) on 5390 total movements.

Ryanair published 4.8 million passengers for December 2011 making BHX a very small cog in their network.

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Old 5th Feb 2012, 23:02
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SNOCLO

To be fair to the poor blokes doing the clearing they did the best they could. The runway and taxiways were de-iced before the snow started and carried on. There was a short closure to do the runway full length around 1700. The runway was closed at 1727 to be swept and the job was just about done as the heavy snow hit. Re-cover times (cleared tarmac to white) was 3 minutes around this time and got down to about 1 minute before it stopped. I left just before 0200 and they were still finishing off the taxiways, but as the stands were still covered and almost impossible to move equipment over safely they delayed opening 'til 6. Very sensible decision, but obviously a difficult one to take. I wouldn't want to take responsibility for an aircraft landing safely only to have an accident sliding on a snow covered stand.
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Old 6th Feb 2012, 10:21
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BHX-BRU

In the Flybe thread Boing7117 wrote
Brussels apparently.

Wet leasing of between 2 and 8 (I've heard 8 on several occasions!) Q400 operating out of BRU, initially for the Summer period but then ramping up to operate for the next couple of years.

Routes include Turin, Toulouse and Milan.

Of course, this is just a rumour.
Maybe Flybe Dash 8s will be operating BHX-BRU after all?
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 11:41
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TOM382/3 to/from Boa Vista

Hopefully the right forum to ask.....any idea what happened to this morning's scheduled 0900hrs TOM382 to Boa Vista? BHX website states 'Proceed to coaches at front of terminal'.

I only ask as I have a friend stuck in Cape Verde who was advised her return TOM383 flight has been cancelled due to an 'ash cloud' and she needs to get back asap due to a family member being taken seriously ill.
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 15:05
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groundhog,

Yes fully support all the staff working as hard as they can to clear the airport.I know some had to put in extra hours to help out.

However this is the third time in 18 months that BHX was closed for 12 hours or more with snow.

It doesn't explain why other airports in the UK that day which had more snow were open in a quarter of the time.Is it as I expect, they have four times the number of staff on perhaps.

EMA,MAN,LTN,STN were all operational after heavy snow within a few hours

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Hopefully the right forum to ask.....any idea what happened to this morning's scheduled 0900hrs TOM382 to Boa Vista? BHX website states 'Proceed to coaches at front of terminal'.

I only ask as I have a friend stuck in Cape Verde who was advised her return TOM383 flight has been cancelled due to an 'ash cloud' and she needs to get back asap due to a family member being taken seriously ill.
It's more of a 'dust cloud' causing visibility issues to all airlines operating to the Cape Verde Islands.

More information here http://bit.ly/tEz7Vy .
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 17:18
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bmibaby Increase Knock Services

bmibaby increase BHX-NOC service from 4x to 6x weekly from April.

''The extra flights will provide an additional capacity of 592 seats per week, and bmibaby expect to carry up to 55,000 customers on the services throughout the summer''

bmibaby announces extra flights to Knock | 2012 | bmibaby travel news
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 17:38
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RYR / BHX

OP - many thanks - great
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Old 8th Feb 2012, 06:49
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Cazza_fly, many many thanks for your reply and the link.

Very helpful. Unfortunately the detailed info as per the link was not passed on to the pax so at least they now have some idea of what's going on.
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Interesting that BMI Baby are to increase the BHX/NOC service as there is a very strong rumour that EI regional will operate BHX/NOC during the summer.

At present EI are running an advert on local radio stating they operate "80 flights a week BHX to Ireland", so there must be some additional routes planned for the summer, if so, yet more good news for BHX.
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Old 8th Feb 2012, 09:18
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NOC

I would think that apart from maybe high summer, that an ATR is far better suited for the loads on this route than a 737. One thing for sure, its overkill if both WW and EI operate, especially as FR are daily from EMA aswell.....

80 flights a week by EI, that's some increase in schedule - off the top of my head, there are 3 daily DUB, 2 daily ORK and 1 daily SNN in summer 2012 -which makes 42 flights a week outbound from BHX. Maybe they mean 80 return flights a week? If so there is no room for NOC on that calculation, or perhaps they are planning a 4 times daily service there

I can't think of any other Irish destinations apart from Galway, Kerry and Sligo, none of which I think would be hugely viable as year round ops (perhaps Kerry at a push?)
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Old 8th Feb 2012, 09:46
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Noc/bhx

The route doesn't do too bad at all looking at the last few months caa stats show late 60s to 70 % load factor , so not too bad for the winter
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BA

Can anyone with a good memory recall what routes BA/BA Connect/Maersk operated from BHX over the years? If memory serves me correct I recall at least the following; Aberdeen, Athens, Bareclona, Belfast, Berlin, Copenhagen, Dublin, Dusseldorf, Edinburgh, Frankfurt, Geneva, Glasgow, Inverness, Madrid, Malaga, Milan, Munich, New York, Paris, Rome, Toronto, Stockholm, Stuttgart and Zurich.
Could easily be wrong on a few though and I can't remember if Helsinki, Lisbon and Vienna were ever served at some point? Any ideas?
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