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On the topic of Pisa, this is another route that has failed to deliver at BHX, not quite on the lines of Cologne but My Travel Lite and FR have tried it and even before we get on to yields, load factors at best were average.
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I find that really surprising; I flew MAN-PSA in Sept with Jet2 and the plane was full, I think EZY from Bristol offer x5 weekly flights and FR from STN can be as many as x3 daily at peak times. Another case of pax leaking out to other airports.
I'm wondering what Qatar would be waiting for - it's certainly not aircraft deliveries.
PSA would obviously be full if we're going on an airport like MAN, but maybe opening a service here would level out the pax figures. How long has it been since BHX has had a service there?
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I agree with OP, why BE did not start this last year is most strange. Flights are now bookable at a very competitive £80 return (basic economy, no checked in bag). I think BMIR have stated that they will lead in at £59 each way (£118 return) so will be interesting to see who wins out - I am worried that from nothing to two carriers on this route it is overkill, especially if they are similar timings.
As for PSA, perhaps Tuscany is just a tad too cultured for your average Brummie
Right, I'll get my coat.......
As for PSA, perhaps Tuscany is just a tad too cultured for your average Brummie
Right, I'll get my coat.......
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Really pleased to see that BMI will grace BHX once again in the form of BMIR. As OP has said BE have tried TLS many times but originally it was a daily Bae146 operating in a 'W' with Bristol and i flew it many times but when EZY started BRS-TLS BE axed the route straight away from Bristol and the BHX leg went from daily to sometimes just 2 or 3 times a week and the timetable all over the place and i gave up and flew from Bristol instead! This time BMIR state it will be 6 times a week and if its a sensible timetable i will use it for sure.
BMIR also state that they hope to reform partnerships with previous BMI partners as regards to bookings , this will certainly help with GOT if they can tie in with SAS but as for LYS they will be on their own up against FLYbe.
BMIR also state that they hope to reform partnerships with previous BMI partners as regards to bookings , this will certainly help with GOT if they can tie in with SAS but as for LYS they will be on their own up against FLYbe.
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New routes
Hi all
Great route announcements!! BMIR may just have the perfect aircraft for the job on these routes GOT,LYS and TLS may be too "thin" for BE/FR/MON aircraft and BMIR do have Embraer 145s and 135s (its not clear which they plan to use on the new routes).
Lyon may be overkill!
This seems to happen at Birmingham all to often. More than one airline operate a thin route, so neither prosper and both end the service!! Maybe if one of them had decided on GVA??? Hopefully they will be well patronised?
Some other charter news that hasn't been reported here. Olympic holidays plan three new routes (well return routes for 2013) from Birmingham. Their website seems to be a work in progress and you really have to search several pages to find these new services. They are;
Tuesdays to Heraklion
0900 1520 1620 1830 QS4982/3 28/5-15/10
Fridays to Skiathos
0830 1515 1605 1900 LLC1532/3 21/6-27/9
Saturdays to Larnaca
1055 1745 1845 2145 QS4032/3 1/6-26/10 (replaces last years Aegean flight)
No extra CFU, RHO, KGS or ZTH so far!
Maybe there is more to come?
Daza
Great route announcements!! BMIR may just have the perfect aircraft for the job on these routes GOT,LYS and TLS may be too "thin" for BE/FR/MON aircraft and BMIR do have Embraer 145s and 135s (its not clear which they plan to use on the new routes).
Lyon may be overkill!
This seems to happen at Birmingham all to often. More than one airline operate a thin route, so neither prosper and both end the service!! Maybe if one of them had decided on GVA??? Hopefully they will be well patronised?
Some other charter news that hasn't been reported here. Olympic holidays plan three new routes (well return routes for 2013) from Birmingham. Their website seems to be a work in progress and you really have to search several pages to find these new services. They are;
Tuesdays to Heraklion
0900 1520 1620 1830 QS4982/3 28/5-15/10
Fridays to Skiathos
0830 1515 1605 1900 LLC1532/3 21/6-27/9
Saturdays to Larnaca
1055 1745 1845 2145 QS4032/3 1/6-26/10 (replaces last years Aegean flight)
No extra CFU, RHO, KGS or ZTH so far!
Maybe there is more to come?
Daza
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The trouble with LYS was it was overpriced previously. Flybe look to be using a 175 and probability would say BMIr would use a 145. I'm sure in my memory I recall GOT being served previously, possibly maersk or duo or BAconnect? Can't remember TLS?
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BMIR arrival
Great news about the arrival of BMI Regional to Birmingham and the new routes to Lyon, Toulouse and Gottenburg. In the recent past BHX only managed to get BMI/BMIR to fly to Aberdeen (which didn't last) and covering a limited amount of Lufthansa flights to Frankfurt.
So I wish BMIR success with it's quality addition to the BHX portfolio. I for one quite fancy a cheeky weekend in Gottenburg this summer.
So I wish BMIR success with it's quality addition to the BHX portfolio. I for one quite fancy a cheeky weekend in Gottenburg this summer.
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I recall flying to Lys a fair bit back in the Maersk/Duo/BA Citiexpress and Connect days. As you may expect, the service seemed popular on a winter weekend (I remember the ERJ-145 being packed with returning skiers on one occasion) but often load factors of 50% were achieved during the week.
Unless something has changed, I can't see the route sustaining two carriers.
I recall when Duo folded talking to one of their admin team who said that they really lost out on routes that they competed with BA on (MXP and Stuttgart). I wonder if the same will happen here i.e. punters book with arguably the better known carrier in the Midlands (Flybe)?
Perhaps easier said than done, but would it be a smart move for BMIR not to launch this route and try somewhere else instead? I appreciate that begs the question: where?
Scott
Unless something has changed, I can't see the route sustaining two carriers.
I recall when Duo folded talking to one of their admin team who said that they really lost out on routes that they competed with BA on (MXP and Stuttgart). I wonder if the same will happen here i.e. punters book with arguably the better known carrier in the Midlands (Flybe)?
Perhaps easier said than done, but would it be a smart move for BMIR not to launch this route and try somewhere else instead? I appreciate that begs the question: where?
Scott
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Did flybe ever formally announce the route or was it a knee jerk reaction to suddenly put it on sale? If flybe keep selling it cheaply then it may do well for city breaks and indeed skiing, perhaps if the flights were at different ends of the day maybe day return business?
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LYS/Route Fund
BE haven't offically announced the new route yet it has quietly slipped into their booking engine. Coincidence? Did BMIR know before they made their formal announcement? Strange
EDI have announced a £15 million new route fund to develop new routes in 2013-2014. Can/could BHX do something like this? Why do Scottish airports benefit from route funds, is it something the Holyrood Parliament gives them? BHX would surely benefit if it was able to have such finances available as an incentive to attract new routes and carriers? No wonder EDI got AC Rouge as I assume a lot of this money props up much reduced landing fees etc.
EDI have announced a £15 million new route fund to develop new routes in 2013-2014. Can/could BHX do something like this? Why do Scottish airports benefit from route funds, is it something the Holyrood Parliament gives them? BHX would surely benefit if it was able to have such finances available as an incentive to attract new routes and carriers? No wonder EDI got AC Rouge as I assume a lot of this money props up much reduced landing fees etc.
GayFriendly
They got the route because half of Canada's population believes it's Scottish - the other half thinks it's American!!!
As regards route development funds, this is a tangible benefit of federalism, a word much derided by the Daily Mail!! The Scottish Government quite rightly wants to attract passengers to it's capital city and is doing something about it.
Shame the rest of the UK isn't run on a more federal basis, we might be a bit more balanced, as is Germany - rather than tilted heavily in favour of the southeast and London.
No wonder EDI got AC Rouge
As regards route development funds, this is a tangible benefit of federalism, a word much derided by the Daily Mail!! The Scottish Government quite rightly wants to attract passengers to it's capital city and is doing something about it.
Shame the rest of the UK isn't run on a more federal basis, we might be a bit more balanced, as is Germany - rather than tilted heavily in favour of the southeast and London.
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I believe that the EDI route fund is privately funded by GIP, the previous Scottish Government Route Development Fund was wound up as I believe, the EU was tending towards deeming them to be an illegal subsidy.
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Birmingham-Perpignan
j636 wrote
The flight is bookable now operates twice weekly from 30/4/2013
Tue Dep BHX 0705 Arr BHX 1130
Sat Dep BHX 1225 Arr BHX 1650
Looks like Birmingham now has France well covered this Summer
Ryanair have also announced Perpignan from April.
Tue Dep BHX 0705 Arr BHX 1130
Sat Dep BHX 1225 Arr BHX 1650
Looks like Birmingham now has France well covered this Summer
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Ryanair have also announced Perpignan from April.
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Air Transat have released a timetable outlining changes for their transatlantic services for Summer 2013. Comparison is July & August 2013 vs the same period in 2012.
Toronto – Birmingham Airbus A310 replaces A330 in S12, 1 weekly service.
Toronto – Birmingham Airbus A310 replaces A330 in S12, 1 weekly service.
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Planeaddict wrote,
This post doesn't make sense 
Did you mean,
.......for Ryanair its the first service from Perpignan to a major city outside London?
Daza
Flybe already serve there from BHX seasonally, and Ryanair serve Stansted (also seasonal). So that'll probably make it the first service to a major UK airport out of Perpignan.
Did you mean,
.......for Ryanair its the first service from Perpignan to a major city outside London?
Daza
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