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Aer Lingus have finally set up an official Facebook page and interacting with people though social media. All they need now is t*witter, they must be one of the last airlines to develop social media pages. Its a good and easy way to deal with passengers.
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EI goes Virgin
Right then, so Lingus have picked up the Virgin SH contract and will shortly be reconfiguring a few aircraft to marry up to the Virgin product.
This is a fairly major coup for the airline, or at least it seems so. As they have had over capacity for some time now.
Whats happening with recruitment? Will we see some movement on this front, or will it be filled with existing crews via night stopping etc....???
This is a fairly major coup for the airline, or at least it seems so. As they have had over capacity for some time now.
Whats happening with recruitment? Will we see some movement on this front, or will it be filled with existing crews via night stopping etc....???
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They will be crewed from Dublin as far as I know. They are currently taking.on crew in Dublin. The second notice for crew is up on the website.
FYI aer lingus are not over capacity there fleet will be increasing as a result pf VS deal.
FYI aer lingus are not over capacity there fleet will be increasing as a result pf VS deal.
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I was under the impression that cabin crew would be based on fixed term contracts working for a third party a la Ryanair at Manchester, Edinburgh, Aberdeen or Heathrow. No?
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Do you want to hear a good rumor? I heard this one today as I failed to get a picture of a visiting Falcon 2000. EI are to send some folk out to Abu Dhabi in order to source a few more A330 aeroplanes! 
That's one to set the pulse racing if you are from Dublin or snn!
That's one to set the pulse racing if you are from Dublin or snn!
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I was under the impression that cabin crew would be based on fixed term contracts working for a third party a la Ryanair at Manchester, Edinburgh, Aberdeen or Heathrow. No?
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What kind of BA agenda are you pushing here? Don't you realise how ridiculous you sound?
If EI are operating the flights, and not BA, then they're the one's making the profit, why would they give away a profit making route to BA?
Also, the fact that BA can't expand from LHR to compete with the likes of EK, EY and TK is absolutely none of EI's concern, they don't owe BA these slots out of sheer good will. What in gods name makes you think that EI would give away it's biggest route to the competition, just so that their competition can compete better? That's just nonsense and makes absolutely no sense on the part of EI.
If EI are operating the flights, and not BA, then they're the one's making the profit, why would they give away a profit making route to BA?
Also, the fact that BA can't expand from LHR to compete with the likes of EK, EY and TK is absolutely none of EI's concern, they don't owe BA these slots out of sheer good will. What in gods name makes you think that EI would give away it's biggest route to the competition, just so that their competition can compete better? That's just nonsense and makes absolutely no sense on the part of EI.
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Clearly they didn't make an offer they couldn't refuse, because the Government refused, and rightly so, one of their best decisions in recent months.
Seriously, what is it with you and EI selling their slots??? 
Now that BD has been folded into BA, there are not many “major” owners of slots left, so they have to buy some from other (and smaller) slot holders
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Aerlingus231, you just beat me to it. Either BALHR has too much time on his or her hands at home or there is some other ulterior motive to the reams of drivel just posted.
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BA you are beginning to make yourself look foolish here. Granted it is obvious you have a great desire for BA to flourish and that is your choice, but justifying this by suggestion they buy, do deals or sell out to Virgin, Ryanair or anyone else is not going to happen.
Lets be honest does BA need to operate as many flights as it does to JFK every day, no, so if it really thought it could make more money using those slots elsewhere it would, there are resources available within if it needs to.
Lets be honest does BA need to operate as many flights as it does to JFK every day, no, so if it really thought it could make more money using those slots elsewhere it would, there are resources available within if it needs to.
This is important since we need those connections when it comes to trade, the problem is that there is a lack of space at LHR (which all the airlines want to use) to launch those flights, so we would have to rely on flying to those overseas hubs (thus sucking money out of the country)
This is why I want BA to expand at LHR, LGW and LCY (until R3 opens at LHR, after that they should leave as soon as possible), because since there is little chance of expansion for the time being, because we need to make the most of what we have got and to do that BA needs to increase the number slots it holds at those airports (towards the 70% limit or maybe push it even higher)
Remember Lufthansa owns 70% of the slots at FRA (which can deal with more flights than LHR), a similar number at MUC (which can deal with more flights than LGW) and and ZRH (which can deal with more flights than at MAN or MAD or LCY), and remember, they also have fairly large bases at DUS, VIE, BRU and TXL as well, not only that but they also have close partnerships with TK, which brings a large (and growing hub) at Istanbul and large bases at Ankara, Antalya and Izmir and LOT, which has a hub at Warsaw and a fairly large base out of Krakow
AF-KL also hold’s around 60% of the slots at both Paris airports (Orly and CDG) and Amsterdam as well, not only that but they have focus cities in Lyon, Marseille, Nice, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Rotterdam and London City (for now…), they are also close partners with AZ, who have a fairly large hub at Rome...
BA on the other hand has 52% of the slots at LHR (which can handle fewer flights than at AMS, CDG, MUC and FRA) and 20% of the slots at LGW (BA also holds around 40% of the slots at LCY, which is a small Premium O&D airport), sure they have Iberia/Vueling which has a large hubs at Madrid and Barcelona, but the problem is that the financial performance of those operations is awful and Spain is going though substantial and numerous political/economic problems
Unlike LH and AF-KL, BA don’t have much in the way of partners in Europe, only Air Berlin and they are on the way out (either BK or moving to ST)
You can see what BA has to face and what it needs to do to meet those challenges…
You, then state “does BA need to operate as many flights as it does to JFK every day”, well they do, firstly the premium/business customers need it and want it and BA can provide it (hence TATL is very profitable for them), that is why they pushed for a ATI with AA as soon as Open Skies came into force
However you are missing the point, why you should be asking is why should BA choose between serving TATL (which is highly profitable) or the emerging markets (which are profitable, but less so that TATL, but there is potential for growth)? Why not both markets, I mean LH/LX/TK/OS/SN/LO and AF/KL/AZ do not have to choose, they can (and do) serve both markets rather well
What BA really needs in the long run is 2 additional runways at LHR, only then will LHR (and BA) will be able of fix the problem of capacity, enough to match FRA and MUC combined (once it gets a 3rd runway)
And frankly, I haven’t even got to Qatar Airways, Eithad and Emirates in all of this
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Several posts back BALHR said he regards Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland as "Ireland". He then asks does anybody disagree. I certainly do as factually he is wrong. The Republic of Ireland is a country in its own right. Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdon of Great Britian and Northern Ireland so it cannot be acurately referred to as Ireland.
When I mean "Ireland" when dealing with aviation, I refer to the Island of Ireland, which consists of Northern Ireland (part of the UK) and the Irish Republic (which is independent)
I did this for pratical reasons and the fact the Northern Ireland maket is closer to the Irish market than the rest of the UK (EI have a base in Belfast for a start)
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Anyone know if the cabins will be much different to current Aer Lingus setup? I'm not expecting Virgin America but I'd imagine they'd Virginise it somehow.
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LHR is full; BA needs to launch additional medium/long-haul routes to help compete with LH/LX/OS/SN and AF/KL/AZ (along with several others) and EI is one of the biggest holders of slots at LHR (who operate on routes already served by BA)
This would help EI increase their yields on the DUB - LHR market which would be good for BA because they're so close to EI, and if EI make more money this must be good for BA.
That was your point right?
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My ultimate point is that either BA pulls out of LHR-DUB/BHD and enters into a close relationship with EI over these routes (codeshare/FF/Interlining etc) or EI sells the LHR slots to BA
Either one will be good for both airlines, even if FR fails to takeover EI...
Either one will be good for both airlines, even if FR fails to takeover EI...
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FR have already failed to take over EI - the state will not sell its stake which means it cannot get to the compulsory level required. They're also barred from another bid for a significant enough period now under (Irish) Takeover Panel rules.
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FR have already failed to take over EI - the state will not sell its stake which means it cannot get to the compulsory level required. They're also barred from another bid for a significant enough period now under (Irish) Takeover Panel rules.
Also did the EU state the Irish Government had to sell state assets as part of the bailout?
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The Irish government do not have to sell EI under direction from EU, it is at their discretion.
FR may or may not go back, only MOL and board of FR will know what their intentions are. MOL may decide to cut his losses, as most parties are not in his favour, yes the Irish government could raise funds to aid the state but the proceeds from the sale of EI would be a drop in the ocean towards the overall scale of the debt etc.
Furthermore, getting approval from the EU is only one hurdle crossed. Irish government have said clearly a big no not for selling their holding and I would anticipate the that staff share holding will be a similar response, as the staff would in the main not prefer FR to control the company. Further down the pecking order is Etihad, who may also not wish to sell but if FR did takeover their shareholding my be of less interest to them depending on which direction FR would take the company.
The Irish government do not have to sell EI under direction from EU, it is at their discretion.
FR may or may not go back, only MOL and board of FR will know what their intentions are. MOL may decide to cut his losses, as most parties are not in his favour, yes the Irish government could raise funds to aid the state but the proceeds from the sale of EI would be a drop in the ocean towards the overall scale of the debt etc.
Furthermore, getting approval from the EU is only one hurdle crossed. Irish government have said clearly a big no not for selling their holding and I would anticipate the that staff share holding will be a similar response, as the staff would in the main not prefer FR to control the company. Further down the pecking order is Etihad, who may also not wish to sell but if FR did takeover their shareholding my be of less interest to them depending on which direction FR would take the company.