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Mart901, I hope you are right and I agree that EI is well established. I had long considered that EI could serve the route exclusively and there are merits for this, though from an BA perspective I cant see them exiting. An upside to increasing EI's operations especially on a LHR route is that the unions (although BHD on different contracts to ROI), cannot raise concerns that IAG had curtailed EI's LHR ops. and in terms of competition I guess taking EI off the route says something about reducing the offer to the consumer. Moreover, the BCN LGW route where BA and VY are both operating at some frequency is a good example that may be replicated...
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EI do not seem to getting good loads at all on Bhd - Lgw, looking at the Caa stats. I am not sure there will be a great rush to pick this up by another operator as Easyjet seem to have it well tied up to Bfs.
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to be fair true blue they are getting into the 80's and that is despite an awful schedule where there is no departure early enough to get into London pre 9am, with the first of the day going at 0740/5.
The loads are good as last year and that is on a 319 and the poorer schedule.. I think they should be happy enough with LGW... the prices seems to be higher than last year.. though I cannot say about the actual yield of the route....
FR have expressed an interest in LGW Belfast. And I think easyJet will have little choice but to come into the fray, they will want to keep FR out of the market. It is inevitable that BFS go to BFS if they do come back to Belfast. A route like LGW will give BFS management a perfect explanation to easyJet as to the reason for FR's return. Hence my assertion that EZY will do a LGW routes ex BHD....if they get the slots ..
The loads are good as last year and that is on a 319 and the poorer schedule.. I think they should be happy enough with LGW... the prices seems to be higher than last year.. though I cannot say about the actual yield of the route....
FR have expressed an interest in LGW Belfast. And I think easyJet will have little choice but to come into the fray, they will want to keep FR out of the market. It is inevitable that BFS go to BFS if they do come back to Belfast. A route like LGW will give BFS management a perfect explanation to easyJet as to the reason for FR's return. Hence my assertion that EZY will do a LGW routes ex BHD....if they get the slots ..
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I think much of the issue there is frequency, BE were 5x daily and had a better spread of flights with smaller aircraft, EI went up to 4x daily but at the time BE were on the route and they never seemed to fully bring in the numbers, they were initially driven by low fares and probably an unsustainable amount of advertising. However, being part of IAG will bring connections, I think its part of the sale agreement to offer them through LGW to competitors, which could be lucrative all round.
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IF FR enter BHD-LGW it will confirm EI's exit, if they enter BFS-LGW it will still confirm EI's exit of BHD-LGW but also only a matter of time before FR do Spain and Portugal and seal EI's full exit at BHD.
They won't bother wasting time, money and resources competing when they have much more profitable places to fly to at the same time.
They won't bother wasting time, money and resources competing when they have much more profitable places to fly to at the same time.
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mart901,
EI are now carrying as many pax as BE ever did in any month when it operated BHD LGW on its own. Last year EI peaked at 24K pax, and when the 2 operated together they both suffered... I think Flybe had it particular tough so much so it put Q400's on some rotations ... So the current service ex BHD as it currently stands is sustainable and attractive for them, but if another joins then it will be a completely different matter .
Jamie,
I completely agree. Though my suspicion is that BFS would love FR in on a limited basis and easyJet wont have it, MOL has said this publically. Though getting slots for a LGW, means that BFS can let FR in, in a way that is presentable to EZY and there is little that EZY can do about it. . .
EI are now carrying as many pax as BE ever did in any month when it operated BHD LGW on its own. Last year EI peaked at 24K pax, and when the 2 operated together they both suffered... I think Flybe had it particular tough so much so it put Q400's on some rotations ... So the current service ex BHD as it currently stands is sustainable and attractive for them, but if another joins then it will be a completely different matter .
Jamie,
I completely agree. Though my suspicion is that BFS would love FR in on a limited basis and easyJet wont have it, MOL has said this publically. Though getting slots for a LGW, means that BFS can let FR in, in a way that is presentable to EZY and there is little that EZY can do about it. . .
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LGW, EI did about 80% L/F last month.
Not sure FR are serious about LGW or BHD/BFS long term, lets face it they'd be there by now if they were. I wouldn't rule out Norwegian.
Not sure FR are serious about LGW or BHD/BFS long term, lets face it they'd be there by now if they were. I wouldn't rule out Norwegian.
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Friedrichshafen - Gatwick
Geneva - Gatwick
Lyon - Gatwick
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On a sexond look Friedrichshafen is listed but not operating so either the route was cut by operator or using scheduled services. Its 3 weekly LYS and 1 weekly GVA this year.
On a sexond look Friedrichshafen is listed but not operating so either the route was cut by operator or using scheduled services. Its 3 weekly LYS and 1 weekly GVA this year.
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I understand that the majority of EI seats sold on sun routes are to tour operators and EI just sell off what's left. Not much yield in that game. Hence why they may yet give them up or even hand them to VY or even Iberia Express. Interesting times ahead if not challenging for all concerned.
I think that in all likelihood on reflection not much will change til S16 but aviation is a funny old game
I think that in all likelihood on reflection not much will change til S16 but aviation is a funny old game
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Cork summer schedule
Any news on the Cork summer schedule and when it will be released, most sun routes not fully there at the moment, AGP twice a week?? No FAO so far. just wondering as DUB is loaded at the moment
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1 more leased 757 and 3 more A330s seems to be latest rumour?
Any news on the Cork summer schedule and when it will be released, most sun routes not fully there at the moment, AGP twice a week?? No FAO so far. just wondering as DUB is loaded at the moment
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so whats to be announced in 2 weeks will we see lax and possibly hartford-bradley or could miami or dallas be in the running, its going to be interesting to see and what developments will be made with the short haul services.