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Old 12th Oct 2014, 16:01
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Thanks Cian. Previous comment edited. Is it due to stop here on the way back? Or will it be only stopping over westbound? I wonder if it'll effect EI's (excellent) SFO loads much
Would have to both ways for a for crew change!
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 16:04
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Not quite. Crews could easily do ADDIS-DUB-LAX-ADDIS Plenty of airlines send the crew only eastbound or westbound (or over the pole) to get home, e.g. ANZ1/2 via LHR to LAX, and I think the eastbound flight goes to Hong Kong?
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 20:41
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Bit of re-adjusting for American Airlines at DUB for Summer 2015.


CLT upgrades to A330-200. PHL remains A330-200 and ORD remains seasonal B767-300.


JFK is dropped.
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 20:53
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JFK

Possibly AA responding to EI going 3x daily? To JFK
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 21:30
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Per this website, Delta is upgrading the Atlanta route to A332 in 2015.

All airlines flying from Dublin to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta.
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 21:33
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AA JFK is still bookable ?
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 22:37
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@HANGAR 6 DUB JFK 3 times daily? Nothing in the booking engine. Any word on departure/arrival times etc.
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Old 13th Oct 2014, 23:58
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Not quite. Crews could easily do ADDIS-DUB-LAX-ADDIS Plenty of airlines send the crew only eastbound or westbound (or over the pole) to get home, e.g. ANZ1/2 via LHR to LAX, and I think the eastbound flight goes to Hong Kong?
Definitely not convinced.

Very approx timings: ADD-DUB about 9 hours, DUB-LAX about 12, LAX-DUB about 11 and DUB-ADD about 8, 2 hours on the ground at DUB in each direction.

So, two crews needed each way with a crew change at DUB.

NZ is LHR-LAX-AKL and vice versa, also needs 2 crews withn a change at LAX. LHR-HKG-AKL and v.v. is now scrapped.
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 07:15
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Okay, look at it another way. All services I'm aware of between UK/IRL and US west coast have 3 flight deck crew (some might even have 4). Again in all cases I'm aware of, flight crew spend at least 2 nights on in SFO/LAX etc to recover. In these cases there are 2 crews in the same hotel, the one that just arrived, and the one that arrived yesterday. Not all these services are daily so sometimes they get more than the 2 nights depending on schedule.

If Ethiopian thought they would make more money by only stopping in DUB westbound, you can be sure they wouldn't have a problem leaving a crew for an extra night or 2 in Dublin, or swap them with one in LHR. But seeing as they are stopping both ways, it's irrelevant
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 15:00
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Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank
Definitely not convinced.

Very approx timings: ADD-DUB about 9 hours, DUB-LAX about 12, LAX-DUB about 11 and DUB-ADD about 8, 2 hours on the ground at DUB in each direction.

So, two crews needed each way with a crew change at DUB.

NZ is LHR-LAX-AKL and vice versa, also needs 2 crews withn a change at LAX. LHR-HKG-AKL and v.v. is now scrapped.
I don't think the OP is suggesting that the same crew will fly ADD-DUB-LAX-ADD, merely that the aircraft doesn't have to stop in DUB both ways for crewing reasons. (I recognise that it is stopping both ways, so the point is academic.)
Monday:
Crew 1: ADD-DUB
Crew 2: DUB-LAX
Crew 3: LAX-ADD
Wednesday:
Crew 4: ADD-DUB
Crew 1: DUB-LAX
Crew 2: LAX-ADD
Friday:
Crew 2 or 3 (or other): ADD-DUB
Crew 4: DUB-LAX
Crew 1: LAX-ADD
and so on.
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 17:27
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Precisely! Far more clearly put than I managed Cyrano, thank you.
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 22:39
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I don't think the OP is suggesting that the same crew will fly ADD-DUB-LAX-ADD, merely that the aircraft doesn't have to stop in DUB both ways for crewing reasons. (I recognise that it is stopping both ways, so the point is academic.)
Monday:
Crew 1: ADD-DUB
Crew 2: DUB-LAX
Crew 3: LAX-ADD
Wednesday:
Crew 4: ADD-DUB
Crew 1: DUB-LAX
Crew 2: LAX-ADD
Friday:
Crew 2 or 3 (or other): ADD-DUB
Crew 4: DUB-LAX
Crew 1: LAX-ADD
and so on.
Apparently ET have fifth freedom rights DUB-LAX and v.v. so eastbound is would have to be LAX-DUB-ADD, not LAX-ADD, otherwise there would be no point.

Maybe the B787 can do it in one go, maybe there could be 2 pairs of pilots on board (one working, one resting), but cabin crew members cannot be expected to do an 18 hour shift.

So crews would be "slipped" as described above on the westbound but also on the eastbound, meaning a crew change in DUB in both directions.

It would be similar to LHR-SIN-SYD/SYD-SIN-LHR on BA or AKL-LAX-LHR/LHR-LAX-AKL on NZ, or the former AI BOM-LHR-JFK/JFK-LHR-BOM.

If the service is not daily, as in the above mentioned examples, then the cres are going to enjoy longer layovers, 2 in DUB and 1 in LAX and be away from home for over a week.

Pleasant cities for layovers, could be lucrative in allowances, reckon many crews will like this gig.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 19:04
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From someone in the know, can I just confirm, it will be a single crew operating to Dublin from Addis with a dead head crew, who will then be taken over by a new set of crew including 4 pilots operating Dublin - Lax. That crew will have 2/3 day layover in Lax, then will operate back to Dublin. Have another 2/3 day layover in Dublin then one set of crew will operate back to Addis whilst other crew members dead head back to addis. Let me clarify once again, fifth freedom has been granted and Ethiopua will be stopping in a Dublin both ways. Initially the machine will be 787 but depending on loads will be switched to B777 from time to time..
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 19:57
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From someone in the know, can I just confirm, it will be a single crew operating to Dublin from Addis with a dead head crew, who will then be taken over by a new set of crew including 4 pilots operating Dublin - Lax. That crew will have 2/3 day layover in Lax, then will operate back to Dublin. Have another 2/3 day layover in Dublin then one set of crew will operate back to Addis whilst other crew members dead head back to addis. Let me clarify once again, fifth freedom has been granted and Ethiopua will be stopping in a Dublin both ways. Initially the machine will be 787 but depending on loads will be switched to B777 from time to time..
Indeed, will be good for allowances.
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 22:24
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Speculation Air China are ready to announce a 3 weekly direct service to Beijing beginning next year operated by A330.

Last edited by EI-A330-300; 15th Oct 2014 at 22:42.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 10:03
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Lufthansa increase MUC to daily next summer. Usually operated at 3/4/5 weekly depending on the month.

Germanwings also replace CRJs with A319 on 3 of 4 weekly DUS flights.

Luxair also increase flights from 4 to 6 weekly next summer.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 10:23
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All very positive news and very welcome for the economy
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 17:00
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ET schedule includes a 1 h layover in DUB according to a post on:

Irish 10/14: The Final Quarter — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

ET504 ADD 2300 – 0530+1 DUB 0630+1 – 0930+1 LAX 788 357
ET505 LAX 2330 – 1830+1 DUB 1930+1 – 0600+2 ADD 788 146

So no US clearance for now and check in area will be cleared as it couldn't take any more if it was departing much lather.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 19:10
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Does anyone know why there'd have such a long lay over at Lax?
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 19:35
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I really like those flight times – it allows a full day in LA on both the outbound and return flights. I'll certainly take that over the SFO run on EI...

...as for the layover, I'm guessing they are designed to sync with connections at ADD.
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