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Thanks Cian. Previous comment edited. Is it due to stop here on the way back? Or will it be only stopping over westbound? I wonder if it'll effect EI's (excellent) SFO loads much
Not quite. Crews could easily do ADDIS-DUB-LAX-ADDIS Plenty of airlines send the crew only eastbound or westbound (or over the pole) to get home, e.g. ANZ1/2 via LHR to LAX, and I think the eastbound flight goes to Hong Kong?
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Per this website, Delta is upgrading the Atlanta route to A332 in 2015.
All airlines flying from Dublin to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta.
All airlines flying from Dublin to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta.
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Not quite. Crews could easily do ADDIS-DUB-LAX-ADDIS Plenty of airlines send the crew only eastbound or westbound (or over the pole) to get home, e.g. ANZ1/2 via LHR to LAX, and I think the eastbound flight goes to Hong Kong?
Very approx timings: ADD-DUB about 9 hours, DUB-LAX about 12, LAX-DUB about 11 and DUB-ADD about 8, 2 hours on the ground at DUB in each direction.
So, two crews needed each way with a crew change at DUB.
NZ is LHR-LAX-AKL and vice versa, also needs 2 crews withn a change at LAX. LHR-HKG-AKL and v.v. is now scrapped.
Okay, look at it another way. All services I'm aware of between UK/IRL and US west coast have 3 flight deck crew (some might even have 4). Again in all cases I'm aware of, flight crew spend at least 2 nights on in SFO/LAX etc to recover. In these cases there are 2 crews in the same hotel, the one that just arrived, and the one that arrived yesterday. Not all these services are daily so sometimes they get more than the 2 nights depending on schedule.
If Ethiopian thought they would make more money by only stopping in DUB westbound, you can be sure they wouldn't have a problem leaving a crew for an extra night or 2 in Dublin, or swap them with one in LHR. But seeing as they are stopping both ways, it's irrelevant
If Ethiopian thought they would make more money by only stopping in DUB westbound, you can be sure they wouldn't have a problem leaving a crew for an extra night or 2 in Dublin, or swap them with one in LHR. But seeing as they are stopping both ways, it's irrelevant
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Definitely not convinced.
Very approx timings: ADD-DUB about 9 hours, DUB-LAX about 12, LAX-DUB about 11 and DUB-ADD about 8, 2 hours on the ground at DUB in each direction.
So, two crews needed each way with a crew change at DUB.
NZ is LHR-LAX-AKL and vice versa, also needs 2 crews withn a change at LAX. LHR-HKG-AKL and v.v. is now scrapped.
Very approx timings: ADD-DUB about 9 hours, DUB-LAX about 12, LAX-DUB about 11 and DUB-ADD about 8, 2 hours on the ground at DUB in each direction.
So, two crews needed each way with a crew change at DUB.
NZ is LHR-LAX-AKL and vice versa, also needs 2 crews withn a change at LAX. LHR-HKG-AKL and v.v. is now scrapped.
Monday:
Crew 1: ADD-DUB
Crew 2: DUB-LAX
Crew 3: LAX-ADD
Wednesday:
Crew 4: ADD-DUB
Crew 1: DUB-LAX
Crew 2: LAX-ADD
Friday:
Crew 2 or 3 (or other): ADD-DUB
Crew 4: DUB-LAX
Crew 1: LAX-ADD
and so on.
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I don't think the OP is suggesting that the same crew will fly ADD-DUB-LAX-ADD, merely that the aircraft doesn't have to stop in DUB both ways for crewing reasons. (I recognise that it is stopping both ways, so the point is academic.)
Monday:
Crew 1: ADD-DUB
Crew 2: DUB-LAX
Crew 3: LAX-ADD
Wednesday:
Crew 4: ADD-DUB
Crew 1: DUB-LAX
Crew 2: LAX-ADD
Friday:
Crew 2 or 3 (or other): ADD-DUB
Crew 4: DUB-LAX
Crew 1: LAX-ADD
and so on.
Monday:
Crew 1: ADD-DUB
Crew 2: DUB-LAX
Crew 3: LAX-ADD
Wednesday:
Crew 4: ADD-DUB
Crew 1: DUB-LAX
Crew 2: LAX-ADD
Friday:
Crew 2 or 3 (or other): ADD-DUB
Crew 4: DUB-LAX
Crew 1: LAX-ADD
and so on.
Maybe the B787 can do it in one go, maybe there could be 2 pairs of pilots on board (one working, one resting), but cabin crew members cannot be expected to do an 18 hour shift.
So crews would be "slipped" as described above on the westbound but also on the eastbound, meaning a crew change in DUB in both directions.
It would be similar to LHR-SIN-SYD/SYD-SIN-LHR on BA or AKL-LAX-LHR/LHR-LAX-AKL on NZ, or the former AI BOM-LHR-JFK/JFK-LHR-BOM.
If the service is not daily, as in the above mentioned examples, then the cres are going to enjoy longer layovers, 2 in DUB and 1 in LAX and be away from home for over a week.
Pleasant cities for layovers, could be lucrative in allowances, reckon many crews will like this gig.
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From someone in the know, can I just confirm, it will be a single crew operating to Dublin from Addis with a dead head crew, who will then be taken over by a new set of crew including 4 pilots operating Dublin - Lax. That crew will have 2/3 day layover in Lax, then will operate back to Dublin. Have another 2/3 day layover in Dublin then one set of crew will operate back to Addis whilst other crew members dead head back to addis. Let me clarify once again, fifth freedom has been granted and Ethiopua will be stopping in a Dublin both ways. Initially the machine will be 787 but depending on loads will be switched to B777 from time to time..
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From someone in the know, can I just confirm, it will be a single crew operating to Dublin from Addis with a dead head crew, who will then be taken over by a new set of crew including 4 pilots operating Dublin - Lax. That crew will have 2/3 day layover in Lax, then will operate back to Dublin. Have another 2/3 day layover in Dublin then one set of crew will operate back to Addis whilst other crew members dead head back to addis. Let me clarify once again, fifth freedom has been granted and Ethiopua will be stopping in a Dublin both ways. Initially the machine will be 787 but depending on loads will be switched to B777 from time to time..
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Lufthansa increase MUC to daily next summer. Usually operated at 3/4/5 weekly depending on the month.
Germanwings also replace CRJs with A319 on 3 of 4 weekly DUS flights.
Luxair also increase flights from 4 to 6 weekly next summer.
Germanwings also replace CRJs with A319 on 3 of 4 weekly DUS flights.
Luxair also increase flights from 4 to 6 weekly next summer.
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ET schedule includes a 1 h layover in DUB according to a post on:
Irish 10/14: The Final Quarter — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
ET504 ADD 2300 – 0530+1 DUB 0630+1 – 0930+1 LAX 788 357
ET505 LAX 2330 – 1830+1 DUB 1930+1 – 0600+2 ADD 788 146
So no US clearance for now and check in area will be cleared as it couldn't take any more if it was departing much lather.
Irish 10/14: The Final Quarter — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
ET504 ADD 2300 – 0530+1 DUB 0630+1 – 0930+1 LAX 788 357
ET505 LAX 2330 – 1830+1 DUB 1930+1 – 0600+2 ADD 788 146
So no US clearance for now and check in area will be cleared as it couldn't take any more if it was departing much lather.
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I really like those flight times – it allows a full day in LA on both the outbound and return flights. I'll certainly take that over the SFO run on EI...
...as for the layover, I'm guessing they are designed to sync with connections at ADD.
...as for the layover, I'm guessing they are designed to sync with connections at ADD.