DUBLIN - 2

[racedo]

Loads have being as low atr42 capacity. Before the winter schedule it operated mores less as point to point. It has improved but believe its not as good for connections still. It was always going to a hard job to fill a second daily flight in the first place. Im sure such numbers are not common but its not doing well either.

I said before that there is a ceiling on PAX transitting via Gulf, heading especially to Australia. Most who will want to emigrate from Emerald Isle will have already done so and the back and forward visits slow down as people become more settled within their lifestyle.

Adding more services i don't believe will add many more passengers.

[Jamie2k9]

The new route is United to Chicago. They are launching Dublin and Rome. Will be up to 4 daily to ORD now. Reportedly a B752. Most likely will replace the second daily EWR.

AA will have to up their game.

[stab3.5up]

They might even be on time

[j636]

I did say months ago they were looking at this route!

Notice AA have given themselves an extra 35 mins on ground with ORD. Could of just worked out like this for AA dropping HEL and the new DUB-HEL service offers transit to ORD (no directly bookable yet). 90mins each way. Finnair are starting ORD but 3 weekly over daily AA. DUB could benefit. AA have said they are seeing increasing transit on single tickets.

[Una Due Tfc]

AA92 did seem to come off the ocean at wildly different times each day this year...and last year.....and the year before.....

[j636]

To be fair they managed a 25-30% improvement this year. Its just ORD which suffers badly. There was a couple of days it didn't manage to land In DUB until 22.30 this year.

[Noxegon]

Maybe they have an opportunity to shift to a daytime flight?

I'd use a Chicago service scheduled to land in DUB at 22:30.

[Una Due Tfc]

Will be interesting to see if it is indeed at the expense of the second daily EWR.

So DUB's confirmed peak Trans Atlantic schedule next summer is:

JFK: 5 x daily
ORD: 4 x daily
YYZ: 18 x weekly*
BOS: 2 x daily
IAD: 11 x weekly
EWR: 1 or 2 x daily
ATL: Daily
PHL: Daily
CLT: Daily
SFO: Daily
YYT: Daily
MCO: 4 x weekly
LAX: 3 x weekly

So 155 weekly scheduled flights each direction if the second EWR is gone, 162 if it isn't, with perhaps more announcments/adjustments to come, not bad.

* I'm not including WJA because they aren't direct, and TSC are only 4 x weekly right?

[EI-A330-300]

JFK - 5 daily You forgot AA.
IAD - 11 weekly

Larger aircraft to ATL, CLT and full time on PHL after operational problems this year.

So 155 scheduled possibly 162 weekly during peak season.

[Una Due Tfc]

I though it was announced AA are dropping it?

[EI-A330-300]

Nope they released the schedule last week and daily from March. It was never fully off sale just the winter freq was put in next summer before being updated.

[Una Due Tfc]

Good news! Previous post edited

[owenc]

Is 162 big? What is LHR?

[Una Due Tfc]

Last year, DUB had the 7th highest number of weekly flights to North America in Europe, just behind FCO. LHR is comfortably #1, followed by (not necessarily in correct order), AMS,FRA,CDG and IIRC #5 was LGW. I was very surprised that DUB was so much busier trans atlantic than the likes of CPH, MAN, ZRH, MUC, ORY etc. apologies for not having the exact figures owen, I read it in one of the British papers during the summer.

Keep in mind though, that's movements, not seats. DUB may well overtake FCO this year in movements, but a larger number of FCO movements will be widebodies, so I suspect it'll be comfortably ahead of DUB in terms of capacity

[EI-A330-300]

DUB will move from 7 to 6 for largest gateway to the US overtaking Rome unless they managed to add 28 more weekly flights for 2015 in terms of frequancy.

Its very possible to target top 5 in short term as we are not far behind MAD.

Then there is the big 4 of LHR, FRA, CDG and AMS, a very long way behind those.

[Una Due Tfc]

I don't think MAD has as many movements to [B]North[B] America, most of their flights are to Latin America, but I'm open to correction there

Tried to make "North" bold there, unsuccessfully obviously

[EI-A330-300]

The figures are N America based, MAD is quiet busy to all areas.

[LAX_LHR]

I was very surprised that DUB was so much busier trans atlantic than the likes of CPH, MAN

Its no surprise DUB was bigger than MAN for Trans-Atlantic capacity

For DUB, large inbound market, especially over summer, home based hub carrier, pre-clearance, lower taxes and of course, DUB is a European Capital.


MAN has only little of the first advantage, and none of the other advantages DUB has. Add to that, MAN has to deal with the fact LHR is only 200 odd miles away, with connections by air, road and rail


However, despite those advantages, MAN still gives a good fight, with around 130 each way departures to around 18 trans-Atlantic points.

[Una Due Tfc]

No doubt about it, MAN does extremely well considering there is no home based "flag" carrier. TOM, TCX and VIR do quite nicely over there for leisure based pax going to the beach, the parks etc. Only comparable flight from DUB would be MCO i suppose

[LAX_LHR]

It has always surprised me there is not more 'beach capacity' across the Atlantic from DUB. The lack of Caribbean flights is the biggest shocker of all, would have thought there was enough demand for at least 1-2 weekly Barbados or Cuba?