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Old 20th Mar 2014, 17:05
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https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at..._Schedule.aspx
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 18:03
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March traffic dropped 1% because of lather Easter to over 1.5 million passengers. Over all for first 3 months passengers up 5% (186,000 pax)

https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at...r_Figures.aspx
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 21:18
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With a late Easter and all the new routes, should be in for a very good April
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 10:56
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Germanwings have decided to take FR on Cologne route and announced they will operate the service in winter twice weekly.
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 12:48
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Germanwings have decided to take FR on Cologne route and announced they will operate the service in winter twice weekly.
Bold move by Lufty, good luck to them!
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 13:00
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2 flights a week is not competition to a daily service.
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 13:04
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Of course it is with the amount of onward connections! Not for P2P obviously.
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Old 16th Apr 2014, 16:52
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Germanwings have released Cologne at 3 weekly (Wed, Fri, Sun).


Meanwhile 570,000 people from the North used DUB last year up 11% and despite all the London capacity from BFS/BHD/LDY - LHR, LGW, STN are in 10 routes used.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...ess_By_11.aspx

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Old 16th Apr 2014, 22:02
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And what is your point?

Should we close all of the airports in NI?

You are aware there are some parts of NI closer to Dublin...
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 05:55
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This mention of dub airport use by NI customers comes around each year. Can anyone explain precisely how DUB measure this?

Do all the airlines share the booking data with DAA??

It is not alarming one bit, even LHR being the most popular in fact should be expected, people from Armagh , South Down, Fermanagh and Tyrone will little DuB being as easy to reach as Belfast airports, closer or more convenient .

BFS,BHD and LDY could produce similar metrics showing passengers from Louth, Cavan, Monaghan , Leitrim Donegal and Sligo using NI airports. I would suggest this is very significant also....

Sounds to me like DAA publicity team saying that the big advertising campaign in NI is working and I'd suggest the need a broader measurement to assess success of their marketing campaign ...
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 10:35
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
This mention of dub airport use by NI customers comes around each year. Can anyone explain precisely how DUB measure this?

Do all the airlines share the booking data with DAA??
No, the airlines don't share booking data - and anyway, booking data is an imperfect indication of where people are actually coming from.

The DAA conducts passenger surveys of departing passengers going through its airports, a bit like the UK CAA. One of the questions is along the lines of "what county are you coming from today?" This is where the information comes from.

The other main difference between DAA and UK CAA stats is that the latter are available to third parties while DAA keeps its stats to itself.
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 14:25
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Cyrano,

Thanks for the info, I thought as much re the sharing of data.
Highly subjective data so. Lies, dam lies and statistics.

For those in NI who are highly alarmed by this dont be, I'd be really interested to under when the sampling was done and how many etc.

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Old 17th Apr 2014, 15:52
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Cyrano, are the daa and CAA comparable? daa runs airports, where the CAA is a regulator. You'd expect a regulator to publish statistics, but you wouldn't necessarily expect a business to disclose its market research without a reason.


For what it's worth, daa do publish some of their survey results on their website, and invite folk with a commercial interest to contact them if they want more details.
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Old 17th Apr 2014, 20:02
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Originally Posted by GCUFD View Post
Cyrano, are the daa and CAA comparable? daa runs airports, where the CAA is a regulator. You'd expect a regulator to publish statistics, but you wouldn't necessarily expect a business to disclose its market research without a reason.

For what it's worth, daa do publish some of their survey results on their website, and invite folk with a commercial interest to contact them if they want more details.
That's a fair point. You are of course absolutely right that the DAA is a commercial company and the CAA is a public regulator. At the same time, Dublin Airport is by far the biggest single gateway into or out of Ireland and the DAA is a 100% state-owned company running that airport, so it has unique insight into the travel patterns of travellers to/from Ireland, which could be useful for other Irish travel-industry stakeholders, if the DAA's shareholder wanted to take a holistic view (I know, I'm being naive ).

If I wanted to start a bus service from Dublin Airport to (say) Waterford, I'd like to know how many Dublin Airport passengers were coming from there. If I wanted to offer multi-day tours to inbound German tourists, I'd like to understand their average length of stay. And, yes, if I were running (for example) Waterford Airport, I'd like to get an idea of how many passengers from Waterford are flying to London via Dublin.

DAA can entirely justifiably say that it has a commercial role and is under no obligation to help competitors. I suppose the issue I have is that no public data equivalent in detail to UK CAA data is available in Ireland (e.g. what county are the passengers from, how long are they going for, where are they connecting through?). I'd be delighted if the Central Statistics Office were conducting similar surveys and making the data available (even at a price) for the benefit of all stakeholders, and then I'd have no issue with DAA carrying out whatever private surveys they wanted to.

If the DAA do invite people with a commercial interest to contact them for more survey results, that'd be good. I confess that in a few minutes of browsing around daa.ie and dublinairport.ie, and also searching the sites for "survey", I couldn't find any reference to that, but I'm prepared to believe it may well be there somewhere.

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Old 18th Apr 2014, 00:39
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Hi Cyrano


I've no idea how helpful they are in response to any particular query, but for what it's worth the statement I had in mind was this one:
Market Research | Fly to Dublin


Our market research allows us to monitor the trends of our passengers. The graphs below give an overall view of passengers travelling through Dublin Airport, however if you would like more detailed information on any one of our number of markets please let us know and we will provide you with further information.
I also notice that the IAA (which I'd take it is broadly similar to the CAA) states that it doesn't supply passenger data. Their site actually still tells people that the daa would supply data on Shannon! And, indeed, CSO data on air traffic doesn't seem to include related county.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 13:18
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New route to London City Airport with Flybe from October!

https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at...m_October.aspx
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 13:22
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Does anybody know in a month approximately how many passengers avail of the connection Donegal to London Heathrow? I.e. Flybe (LC)/ BA combination?
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 13:24
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Originally Posted by Mlinnie View Post
New route to London City Airport with Flybe from October!

https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at...m_October.aspx
CityJet would take issue with your description of this as a "new route" as they have been serving it for much of the last 20 years.

Flybe's market entry may drive prices down a bit on DUB-LCY but certainly brings some unwelcome competition for one of the core routes of a newly independent CityJet.
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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 13:29
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Cyrano

I'd agree with you on this. The new investor at Cityjet will certainly not allow Flybe to steal one of their most important and long established routes from them. Cityjet did exit the route before at some stage.

Ironically, Flybe (JEA) have been on the route before in association with Aer Lingus I think it was ...

BA came at the start of the financial crash in 2008 and abandoned the route mid season. I think it will require quite a lot of cash burn to get Dublin originating passenger into the habit of Flybe or even checking Flybe for pricing. In the mean time the passenger gets to get a better deal. Clearly that wont be sustainable in the longer term...

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Old 23rd Apr 2014, 15:07
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The vast majority of people on that route had their tickets booked and paid for by their companies. You can bet Flybe will be e-mailing the various hr departments to let them know they don't have to pay through the nose to cover for a thirsty RJ anymore
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