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I've been in the real world my whole life racedo, struggled to pay bills some weeks in order to keep a job I absolutely love - and now I'm being lectured by a Ryanair PR man who welcomes me to the real world?
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Weatherspoons surely? And I don't mean that as a criticism as they actually are pretty good value for money. There's enough whine around here as it is....
One thought, in the "real world", there are people getting richer and richer with the rest of us getting left behind. I make no comment about necessary steps to save the business, however it's always the same people who have to make sacrifices and always the same people who reap most of the rewards. The two appear mutually exclusive!
One thought, in the "real world", there are people getting richer and richer with the rest of us getting left behind. I make no comment about necessary steps to save the business, however it's always the same people who have to make sacrifices and always the same people who reap most of the rewards. The two appear mutually exclusive!
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One thought, in the "real world", there are people getting richer and richer with the rest of us getting left behind. I make no comment about necessary steps to save the business, however it's always the same people who have to make sacrifices and always the same people who reap most of the rewards. The two appear mutually exclusive!
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Any reasonable person would say that there is now absolutely no reason for this strike to take place. A concerted effort is being made by several parties to try to sort out the problems.
The union headbangers are going ahead just to justify their existence and prove a point and, as a further threat, have stated that they will be meeting to discuss further strike action which shows that they have no regard for anyone or anything but their own deluded self-importance. The workers will be the losers. The headbangers will collect their nice big salaries as usual while the poor workers will suffer the ignominy of losing some of theirs. If the staff had any gumption or self-respect they would stop this strike threat now but we know they haven't got the liathróidi and would rather be led like sheep by their lords and masters.
The union headbangers are going ahead just to justify their existence and prove a point and, as a further threat, have stated that they will be meeting to discuss further strike action which shows that they have no regard for anyone or anything but their own deluded self-importance. The workers will be the losers. The headbangers will collect their nice big salaries as usual while the poor workers will suffer the ignominy of losing some of theirs. If the staff had any gumption or self-respect they would stop this strike threat now but we know they haven't got the liathróidi and would rather be led like sheep by their lords and masters.
Weatherspoons surely? And I don't mean that as a criticism as they actually are pretty good value for money. There's enough whine around here as it is....
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The union headbangers are going ahead just to justify their existence and prove a point and, as a further threat, have stated that they will be meeting to discuss further strike action which shows that they have no regard for anyone or anything but their own deluded self-importance. The workers will be the losers. The headbangers will collect their nice big salaries as usual while the poor workers will suffer the ignominy of losing some of theirs. If the staff had any gumption or self-respect they would stop this strike threat now but we know they haven't got the liathróidi and would rather be led like sheep by their lords and masters.
Regards SIPTU, there is a massive double standard going on - with there own staff facing cuts and there pension fund up in the air also. But put it this way, we've been in talks since 2006 nearly every consecutive year about this and its gotten us no where, in fact the pension deficit continues to grow despite us the bottom line, being given cuts to ensure its viability - In layman's terms, we were screwed and what we wanted protected was being taken further and further away from us.
The main issue at the moment is those with +30 years of service are being told you're getting the same pension as person with negative 30, the contracts were totally different, example A got a lot more, example B got a lot less and those of us in C got f*ck all for starters. At this exact moment, there are 5,000 workers within the IASS who are no longer employed and have not gotten there pension as defined in there contract. Something has to be done, an IR dispute seems the only way for the top brass to actually figure this out - in the right way. For starters, they could forgo there bonuses for x years and there's a lot more. Nobody wants to affect the travelling public, but is that the burden us in the sector are expected to bare? Oh you're having you're wages cut, you're pension will probably be revoked, you'll work more and you know what - You dispute it you get no where, you bring a union rep in you get taken off the payroll, you and you're colleagues go on strike and you're the evil in the room.
But who am I kidding, we'll talk in a few weeks, where there'll be another cut of sorts and there will be broad acception, you know why? The unions give less of a sh*t these days then management.
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DAA gone to court to get an injunction saying that SIPTU didn't ballot all members of staff which is in beech of existing agreements.
Now doing the deliberate route means that you don't want the strike but call it and don't follow procedures so Court will throw it out which you know.
Result is that you achieved your result but didn't have the work stoppage but everybody knows there was a strike called.
Or am I giving the Union a competence that they don't have ?
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Do you reckon that this was Incompetence or Deliberate ?
Now doing the deliberate route means that you don't want the strike but call it and don't follow procedures so Court will throw it out which you know.
Result is that you achieved your result but didn't have the work stoppage but everybody knows there was a strike called.
Or am I giving the Union a competence that they don't have ?
Now doing the deliberate route means that you don't want the strike but call it and don't follow procedures so Court will throw it out which you know.
Result is that you achieved your result but didn't have the work stoppage but everybody knows there was a strike called.
Or am I giving the Union a competence that they don't have ?
So I'm voting for cock-up rather than conspiracy.
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Cock up gets my vote
Bearing in mind Siptu pension fund itself is a mess !
Vast majority of current DAA and EI staff are not in this pension scheme, pilots have their own scheme add in SR Technics has left for the sandpit leaves just the stalwarts , who just happen to be key personnel, fire station , airport police and even most the current staff don't want a strike as no benefit for them and just dogs abuse from passengers all day for not large wages , a real mess hard to see union being that clever , still annother chapter .......
Vast majority of current DAA and EI staff are not in this pension scheme, pilots have their own scheme add in SR Technics has left for the sandpit leaves just the stalwarts , who just happen to be key personnel, fire station , airport police and even most the current staff don't want a strike as no benefit for them and just dogs abuse from passengers all day for not large wages , a real mess hard to see union being that clever , still annother chapter .......
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Hard call but I think the union were expecting both companies to meet demands and not for it to get to strike, a unexpected move from the DAA who have remained very quiet until now. DAA should win this one on Monday, EI said the same thing a few weeks ago but seem to have left it for some reason.
DAA timed the news very well and ensure no action can take place over any of the weekend which is one of the busiest.
As said very few want to strike.
Hard call but I think the union were expecting both companies to meet demands and not for it to get to strike, a unexpected move from the DAA who have remained very quiet until now. DAA should win this one on Monday, EI said the same thing a few weeks ago but seem to have left it for some reason.
DAA timed the news very well and ensure no action can take place over any of the weekend which is one of the busiest.
As said very few want to strike.
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Wow you have a certain way with words Aeroplan, but I reckon
DAA have a clearer case as the dispute will impact their other tenants EK EY DL etc who have zero case to answer and thus it's a clearer argument for DAA in the courts , EI on the other hand are more involved or at least in the eyes of Siptu they are more involved even indirectly,
DAA have a clearer case as the dispute will impact their other tenants EK EY DL etc who have zero case to answer and thus it's a clearer argument for DAA in the courts , EI on the other hand are more involved or at least in the eyes of Siptu they are more involved even indirectly,
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Turkish Airlines sees Dublin Airport as potential ?gateway to Atlantic? - Tourism News | Travel & Tourism Industry News | The Irish Times - Fri, Mar 07, 2014
A lot is just PR but TK wanted to codeshare with EI to feed T/A flights. Can't help thinking it would of being good for EI as it was before EY came on board with them. A move to T2 for TK would of being on the cards if happened I expect.
A lot is just PR but TK wanted to codeshare with EI to feed T/A flights. Can't help thinking it would of being good for EI as it was before EY came on board with them. A move to T2 for TK would of being on the cards if happened I expect.
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Tomorrow is D-Day for the DAA/FR injunctions against the strike.
If they succeed:
1. Will EI/FR revert to their original schedules? (FR has now posted its alterations for Friday)
2. Is it likely that the union would organise a go-slow or similar out of spite? (e.g. deliberately long queues at Security?)
If they succeed:
1. Will EI/FR revert to their original schedules? (FR has now posted its alterations for Friday)
2. Is it likely that the union would organise a go-slow or similar out of spite? (e.g. deliberately long queues at Security?)
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Mandate have withdrawn their notice just 4 days after serving it to DAA.
As for reverting back to normal schedules for EI it won't happen as they have hired in help and the whole point of the early change was to give certainty to passengers traveling.
Ryanair on the other hand probably have the resources to do so but changing 92 flights back is a big ask. Seen as they left it this late u wonder why they didn't wait until tomorrow to put the changes out. Are they expecting to lose?
Would think the union would need to still give a weeks notice of any change in action and possibly even a new vote.
In other news AA are flying the 767 to JFK over the next few days instead of the 757.
As for reverting back to normal schedules for EI it won't happen as they have hired in help and the whole point of the early change was to give certainty to passengers traveling.
Ryanair on the other hand probably have the resources to do so but changing 92 flights back is a big ask. Seen as they left it this late u wonder why they didn't wait until tomorrow to put the changes out. Are they expecting to lose?
Would think the union would need to still give a weeks notice of any change in action and possibly even a new vote.
In other news AA are flying the 767 to JFK over the next few days instead of the 757.