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MON also operated EI flight to MAD from DUB yesterday. 4 MON a/craft were DUB yesterday I'm told ........ probably not all to be used as union busting flights though.
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The 4 a/c in DUB were due to an ad-hoc contract which was on the cards for weeks. It was for a company to bring their staff to a conference. I hear the A300 did DUB-JFK. Fair play to MON for stepping and helping out.
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Anyone got any more news about the Canadian work for Canadian affair. Any ideas of confirmed routes, aircraft type, start date etc?
Anyone know if they are doing the NCL Toronto??
Any info appreciated!
Anyone know if they are doing the NCL Toronto??
Any info appreciated!
Its going to be a modified 757. Try visiting the "where we fly" section on Canadian Affair's website. Currently you can purchase flights for November 2011 through April 2012 but supposedly the summer work should be loaded on
Newcastle, is, I think Air Transat just
Routes: from what I've heard LGW-YYZ, BHX-YYZ, Gatwick to Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax. A couple of more also I think.
Sorry all I know!
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I agree with Albert Hall’s comments:
“my understanding is that Monarch were trying to increase the prices which Olympic had paid for many years by a sizeable percentage. Olympic said no and have gone off to get other flying elsewhere.
Monarch has picked up a contract to do a total of five 757 roundtrips per week (using an aircraft with 30+ seats removed for the purpose) on Gatwick-Ottawa and Montreal plus a Gatwick-Toronto-Birmingham W pattern. That is hardly going to replace the gaping hole in Greece and Cyprus left by the end of the Olympic deal. Do you think Cosmos will be able to deliver? I doubt it.
And whenever they have tried to expand using Avro and Cosmos, they have ended up with both of those subsidiaries losing loads of money - so what's going to be different this time? As renort said, logic like that was the undoing of XL to a large degree.”
With regards to Goldtrail they were historically paying high prices and selling cheap – at a loss. And we all know what happens when you do this. It is silly of TartinTon to say that Olympic are “chancers”. Olympic has been around for a long time and when all the other independents have disappeared. I have travelled with them many times. Good service.
A lot of the Olympic flights are now sold as scheduled. As Albert Hall said, I would not be surprised if Monarch ends up losing a “bucket” this year again. Some are sold by Avro. The market will force them to drop the prices to sell.
“my understanding is that Monarch were trying to increase the prices which Olympic had paid for many years by a sizeable percentage. Olympic said no and have gone off to get other flying elsewhere.
Monarch has picked up a contract to do a total of five 757 roundtrips per week (using an aircraft with 30+ seats removed for the purpose) on Gatwick-Ottawa and Montreal plus a Gatwick-Toronto-Birmingham W pattern. That is hardly going to replace the gaping hole in Greece and Cyprus left by the end of the Olympic deal. Do you think Cosmos will be able to deliver? I doubt it.
And whenever they have tried to expand using Avro and Cosmos, they have ended up with both of those subsidiaries losing loads of money - so what's going to be different this time? As renort said, logic like that was the undoing of XL to a large degree.”
With regards to Goldtrail they were historically paying high prices and selling cheap – at a loss. And we all know what happens when you do this. It is silly of TartinTon to say that Olympic are “chancers”. Olympic has been around for a long time and when all the other independents have disappeared. I have travelled with them many times. Good service.
A lot of the Olympic flights are now sold as scheduled. As Albert Hall said, I would not be surprised if Monarch ends up losing a “bucket” this year again. Some are sold by Avro. The market will force them to drop the prices to sell.
Monarch have often had more work than a/c at peak times (fact).
There are numerous ways around it, all well used by those in the offices.
They know what they are doing!!
There are numerous ways around it, all well used by those in the offices.
They know what they are doing!!
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Anyone know how many extra pilots they are going to need for the summer? I know they recruited around 10 in November. But can anyone confirm how many extra they are going to need. Decisions on appointments were supposed to be happening this week sometime.
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Sorry Hifly but you're wrong. You actually hit the nail on the head when you said “my understanding is that Monarch were trying to increase the prices which Olympic had paid for many years by a sizeable percentage."
That's the problem. Olympic had not had price increases in line with the increases in fuel for whatever reason hence the reason they were able to stay in business. With the clearout at the top of Monarch they have gone back to get proper market rates from Olympic and they won't have it.
Essentially Monarch has ben subsidising Olympic. No more apparently.
A lot of the slack has been taken up by ZB, some by Avro/Cosmos and a line is due to go to Canadian Affair as already stated.
Fabio Mantegazza has gone on record as saying that Monarch will only deal with operators prepared to pay a proper market price.
Seems like common sense to me.
That's the problem. Olympic had not had price increases in line with the increases in fuel for whatever reason hence the reason they were able to stay in business. With the clearout at the top of Monarch they have gone back to get proper market rates from Olympic and they won't have it.
Essentially Monarch has ben subsidising Olympic. No more apparently.
A lot of the slack has been taken up by ZB, some by Avro/Cosmos and a line is due to go to Canadian Affair as already stated.
Fabio Mantegazza has gone on record as saying that Monarch will only deal with operators prepared to pay a proper market price.
Seems like common sense to me.
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Fabio Mantegazza has gone on record as saying that Monarch will only deal with operators prepared to pay a proper market price.
Seems like common sense to me.
Seems like common sense to me.
Whilst I realise that there is more to the costing of a package than just the flights, maybe, just maybe, Monarch were asking a little more than the 'proper market price' from Olympic.
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Were Viking asking for "the proper market rate" last year?
Maybe Olympic can only survive by undercutting the market - that is a problem they will have to address.
If an airline wants to undercut the market by not getting the proper market rate to fill capacity then I wonder how long an airline will be around - not long in Viking's case!
Maybe Olympic can only survive by undercutting the market - that is a problem they will have to address.
If an airline wants to undercut the market by not getting the proper market rate to fill capacity then I wonder how long an airline will be around - not long in Viking's case!
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Dream Holidays appear to be a price comparison website.
