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"LOCO" Definition
"LOCO" (Low Cost Airline) refers to the cost base of an operator. In its purest form, expenditures by the company are kept to an absolute minimum (as demonstrated by Ryanair). This is not to be confused with the passenger experience which is best described as "NO FRILLS" (as opposed to "Full Service"). "Low Cost" does NOT refer to the fare paid by the customer, it relates only to outgoings on the company balance sheet.
As a customer, the "low cost" model can often see you paying a high fare for a "no frills" experience (eg. for booking on a popular route at short notice). Conversely, it is often possible to secure a bargain fare for a "full service" experience. This is normal business practice in the airline industry (yield management; maximization of revenues) regardless of the business model.
The widely held public misconception that a "no frills" airline exclusively offers low fares is one which the companies concerned have little incentive to correct. If the traveling public believe that Airline X will always offer them the lowest possible fare, why would the airline disabuse them of that notion?
If you are a regular purchaser of air travel, educate yourself to understand the demarcation between products. Then you can make an informed choice when selecting a tariff based on the price offered versus the service you can expect to receive.
Remember: "Low Cost Airline" does NOT mean "Low Fare Airline". Recognizing this distinction will allow you to make an informed choice when you book a flight. Bon Voyage!
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As a customer, the "low cost" model can often see you paying a high fare for a "no frills" experience (eg. for booking on a popular route at short notice). Conversely, it is often possible to secure a bargain fare for a "full service" experience. This is normal business practice in the airline industry (yield management; maximization of revenues) regardless of the business model.
The widely held public misconception that a "no frills" airline exclusively offers low fares is one which the companies concerned have little incentive to correct. If the traveling public believe that Airline X will always offer them the lowest possible fare, why would the airline disabuse them of that notion?
If you are a regular purchaser of air travel, educate yourself to understand the demarcation between products. Then you can make an informed choice when selecting a tariff based on the price offered versus the service you can expect to receive.
Remember: "Low Cost Airline" does NOT mean "Low Fare Airline". Recognizing this distinction will allow you to make an informed choice when you book a flight. Bon Voyage!
SHED.
If Monarch are looking for new a/c, there are 5 Thai A330`s sitting in Bordeaux currently. Dont know if maybe there for maint at Sabena, otherwise looking very out of place!!
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The 5 Thai A330`s sitting in Bordeaux are awaiting delivery to Thai.
They were using the Japanese seat manufacture that has had its EASA certification removed, this because of falsifying seat test results.
So are short of seats for the pax to sit on, l guess perfect for a Ryanair operation, thus enabling Michael to charge extra if you require a seat.
They were using the Japanese seat manufacture that has had its EASA certification removed, this because of falsifying seat test results.
So are short of seats for the pax to sit on, l guess perfect for a Ryanair operation, thus enabling Michael to charge extra if you require a seat.
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A RECENT BOOKING EXPERIENCE.
4 adults travelling to Las Palmas in October..we decided to try Monarch Scheduled from Luton, the times and flight times looked good. Online booking commenced...select flights, delete insurance (which I thought was not now meant to be a default option) etc, etc, etc....pay by Debit card, one payment, one amount resulted in what looked liked 8 sector charges....names etc, etc....press book.....OUT OF TIME.
RESULT....we booked with EZY from Gatwick at £200+ less incl. speedy boarding, baggage etc. with a single DR card charge. Booking lost by MON.
4 adults travelling to Las Palmas in October..we decided to try Monarch Scheduled from Luton, the times and flight times looked good. Online booking commenced...select flights, delete insurance (which I thought was not now meant to be a default option) etc, etc, etc....pay by Debit card, one payment, one amount resulted in what looked liked 8 sector charges....names etc, etc....press book.....OUT OF TIME.
RESULT....we booked with EZY from Gatwick at £200+ less incl. speedy boarding, baggage etc. with a single DR card charge. Booking lost by MON.
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Utter B@llocks!
I booked flights for Mrs IB and I with Easy for November AGP-MAN return, in early June. Monarch same dates, were £150 dearer. Monarch are still disguising the end price with their "add ons", which Easy don't.
The last tweak to their website was also detremental for the user.
By the sound of it, you work for MON.
I read on another site that Transavia's web site had the final price payable, available from the very first page. Something the UK based locos should learn from. It's a breath of fresh air.
I booked flights for Mrs IB and I with Easy for November AGP-MAN return, in early June. Monarch same dates, were £150 dearer. Monarch are still disguising the end price with their "add ons", which Easy don't.
The last tweak to their website was also detremental for the user.
By the sound of it, you work for MON.
I read on another site that Transavia's web site had the final price payable, available from the very first page. Something the UK based locos should learn from. It's a breath of fresh air.
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For our return trip to TFS for winter from LTN, 30/10 Mon 30.99 + 35.76 taxes = 68.55 Ryanair same day 28.79 no taxes. So a loyal ZB client now traveling with another airline.
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Mon 30.99 + 35.76 taxes = 68.55 Ryanair same day 28.79 no taxes. So a loyal ZB client now traveling with another airline
Must be a hell of a lot cheaper to fly to TFS than I thought......enjoy FR eric...at those prices they will soon be the only player on the route...and then guess what? That Monarch price of £68.55 will look like a bargain.....
Some people are so dumb...I bet you booked with Excel and Goldtrail too....
Let's face it, £11 is APD..no escape from that...plus Luton don't let anyone fly for free..so even if they got a great deal that's another, say, £4 to them...so £15 of your £29 has gone to other people leaving FR £14 to pay for fuel, nav, handling, crews, advertising, head office etc etc...
Enjoy your deal but don't bleat and moan when you're paying £150 next year as you helped put the price up.
Must be a hell of a lot cheaper to fly to TFS than I thought......enjoy FR eric...at those prices they will soon be the only player on the route...and then guess what? That Monarch price of £68.55 will look like a bargain.....
Some people are so dumb...I bet you booked with Excel and Goldtrail too....
Let's face it, £11 is APD..no escape from that...plus Luton don't let anyone fly for free..so even if they got a great deal that's another, say, £4 to them...so £15 of your £29 has gone to other people leaving FR £14 to pay for fuel, nav, handling, crews, advertising, head office etc etc...
Enjoy your deal but don't bleat and moan when you're paying £150 next year as you helped put the price up.
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Was not that long ago we paid £90 each with Monarch (one way) and were happy with that. Now we have just paid £87 for both inc all the add ons.
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eric...I see that but you paint yourself as a "loyal ZB client" and yet you were happy to pay £90 not so long ago...the price for ZB this year was £68.55...not a bad saving...at least with ZB you know they are going to look after you if things go wrong...FR won't.
These forums are full of passengers slagging off FR for the service that they give and saying how they would pay extra for that additional service and peace of mind blah,blah,blah. The truth is that price, not value, is king for most people and that's why if your flight gets cancelled don't come back on here complaining that ZB or EZY or whoever are fleecing you for a short-notice booking (another all-too-common complaint) because you had your chance to book at, quite frankly, a bargain fare of £69.
You chose to book with the lowest of the low and good luck to you for getting the fare but it's hardly fair to berate ZB for charging a rate that is still, let's face it, below cost.
While I'm at it, IB4138, the Monarch cost on the front screen is no different to what you see with Easy. The total is on the right of the screen but broken down. The rest of the add-ons, just like Easy, get added on as you go through and are optional. If you want real hidden charges try Jet2s site...
These forums are full of passengers slagging off FR for the service that they give and saying how they would pay extra for that additional service and peace of mind blah,blah,blah. The truth is that price, not value, is king for most people and that's why if your flight gets cancelled don't come back on here complaining that ZB or EZY or whoever are fleecing you for a short-notice booking (another all-too-common complaint) because you had your chance to book at, quite frankly, a bargain fare of £69.
You chose to book with the lowest of the low and good luck to you for getting the fare but it's hardly fair to berate ZB for charging a rate that is still, let's face it, below cost.
While I'm at it, IB4138, the Monarch cost on the front screen is no different to what you see with Easy. The total is on the right of the screen but broken down. The rest of the add-ons, just like Easy, get added on as you go through and are optional. If you want real hidden charges try Jet2s site...
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What do you expect Ryanair are getting a 100% discount on all charges for every route they operate from the Canary Islands. Every other airline who operate flights to the Canary Islands are paying for Ryanair's 100% discount. Thats why they can sell flights with no tax.
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and if you were in business and were offered a deal like that you mean you would'nt jump at it because it was unfair to your competitors? Business is business, profit is profit, opportunities are to be grasped.
I do not have the opportunity to fly Monarch often due to where I live but my 2 experiences of them were very positive, both in terms of price and service (B757s). However, as has been said, price then convenience rule
I do not have the opportunity to fly Monarch often due to where I live but my 2 experiences of them were very positive, both in terms of price and service (B757s). However, as has been said, price then convenience rule
Booked ZB to ALC in sept, £39.99 each one way and similar for the return a week later. Couldn't be beaten on any other airline website!!
If prices are going up, then there are only a few seats left on that flight!!
I didn't book seats, no need to, at least I don't have to fight for them as I would on Easy!!
From the sound of other Easyjet threads, at least I don't have to worry about the flight being cancelled!!
If prices are going up, then there are only a few seats left on that flight!!
I didn't book seats, no need to, at least I don't have to fight for them as I would on Easy!!
From the sound of other Easyjet threads, at least I don't have to worry about the flight being cancelled!!
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It is not the same. ZB have two prices on the first screen, the most prevelent being without taxes and as you say, the full cost, with taxes added, on the right in pink and smaller font. Why don't they show just the full tax inclusive cost as Easy do? Is it an attempt to mislead?
It is not the same. ZB have two prices on the first screen, the most prevelent being without taxes and as you say, the full cost, with taxes added, on the right in pink and smaller font. Why don't they show just the full tax inclusive cost as Easy do? Is it an attempt to mislead?
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IB4318,
If you think you have been deliberately misled by the Monarch website feel free to inform trading standards. I'm sure the company legal team would enjoy your expert knowledge.
If you think you have been deliberately misled by the Monarch website feel free to inform trading standards. I'm sure the company legal team would enjoy your expert knowledge.
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A non-alert passenger could escape noticing that insurance has already been added to the fare without an earlier option being given to include/reject it. EZY changed their policy on this some time back.
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At the end of the day, if you travel with no bags or added extras you will pay the price given to you when you select flights. Airlines are not trying to mislead or confuse passengers. If you go into a car dealership and say I want a ford fiesta - yes it's advertised at £9,995 on tv but you can dam well expect to pay more for a 1.4 litre engine, or alloys or metallic paint. It's exactly the same with airlines, and many other products and services you can buy. All this talk of 'hidden extras' - well they are not hidden as you cannot proceed without opting in or out of them. Is it really worth comparing airline pricing structures, when most people don't even know how a low cost airline structure works. At the end of the day loyalty gets you no where, I'm a 'loyal' Jet2 employee and 'die hard supporter' but yes I fly with ryanair, easyjet, thomas cook, bmi baby etc ... And don't feel the need to constantly gripe and go on about how much I paid.