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Ryanair welcomes decision on BAA breakup
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As per Ryanairs press release:
News : Ryanair Announces Closure of Marseille Base
Not to much of a surprise.
Routes(10) from other bases will stay, routes to non-bases will disappear. They also note aircraft go to Lithuania, must be Kaunas getting (an) extra plane(s).
Ryanair Announces Closure of Marseille Base
4 AIRCRAFT, 13 ROUTES, 200 JOBS LOST AT MARSEILLE,AS AIRCRAFT AND JOBS SWITCH TO SPAIN AND ITALY
4 AIRCRAFT, 13 ROUTES, 200 JOBS LOST AT MARSEILLE,AS AIRCRAFT AND JOBS SWITCH TO SPAIN AND ITALY
Not to much of a surprise.
Routes(10) from other bases will stay, routes to non-bases will disappear. They also note aircraft go to Lithuania, must be Kaunas getting (an) extra plane(s).
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what a load of rubbish from ryanair. if they were confident of winning the case, happy with route performance they would not use this as an excuse to cut staff, reduce routes and try and come across holier than thou.
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RFI's take -
Published on RFI (http://www.english.rfi.fr)
Ryanair flys from Marseille base over illegal working practices case
Created 2010-10-13 17:15
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Low-cost airline Ryanair announced on Wednesday that it will go ahead with the closure of its base in Marseille. The Irish carrier had threatened to pull out because French prosecutors accused the airline of illegal working practices.
“We are very disappointed at this decision by the French authorities to initiate proceedings against Ryanair’s base in Marseille [1],” said Ryanair’s boss Michael O’Leary [2].
French prosecutors claim Ryanair had illegally declared 120 employees as working in Ireland, when they worked in France.
“These are not French jobs, but rather Irish jobs on Irish aircraft,” said O’Leary. “This ill-judged legal action has therefore cost Marseille and France jobs, foreign investment and lost visitors in circumstances where our Marseille base fully complies with EU regulations for transport workers.”
On Saturday O'Leary threatened to leave [3] in a letter to the Le Parisien newspaper.
Thirteen routes from Ryanair’s Mediterranean hub will cease to operate from 11 January 2011. The airline’s four aircraft and 200 staff will be moved to airports in Spain, Italy and Lithuania. Ten routes will continue to operate to and from Marseille, including Brussels, London, Madrid and Rome.
Michael O'Leary outside the Court of Appeal in London, 13 October
Photo: Reuters/Stefan Wermuth
Ryanair boss O'Leary says airline may quit Marseille over court case [3]
Ryanair profits slump on volcanic ash crisis [4]
Air France files complaint against Ryanair [5]
Source URL: Ryanair flys from Marseille base over illegal working practices case | RFI
Links:
[1] Aeroport de Marseille Provence - Vols, horaires, destinations, acces, parking
[2] News : Ryanair Announces Closure of Marseille Base
[3] Ryanair boss O'Leary says airline may quit Marseille over court case | RFI
[4] Ryanair profits slump on volcanic ash crisis | RFI
[5] Air France files complaint against Ryanair | RFI
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FWIW, as I said before on here, I think he's bluffing and trying to make a European case out of the issue. Does anyone know if there are other similar situations? i.e. Irish contracted workers working somewhere else? If there are he'll move on them too.
In the MRS situation he'll have plenty of local support, the mayor of MRS has said it will be a disaster, and as the mayor of the third city he has clout. Also, ryr has clattered the others on the Maroc routes, and there are a lot of Maghrebians in MRS.
Meanwhile he'll save money, that's his raison d'etre.
Published on RFI (http://www.english.rfi.fr)
Ryanair flys from Marseille base over illegal working practices case
Created 2010-10-13 17:15
By RFI
France - Ireland
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Low-cost airline Ryanair announced on Wednesday that it will go ahead with the closure of its base in Marseille. The Irish carrier had threatened to pull out because French prosecutors accused the airline of illegal working practices.
“We are very disappointed at this decision by the French authorities to initiate proceedings against Ryanair’s base in Marseille [1],” said Ryanair’s boss Michael O’Leary [2].
French prosecutors claim Ryanair had illegally declared 120 employees as working in Ireland, when they worked in France.
“These are not French jobs, but rather Irish jobs on Irish aircraft,” said O’Leary. “This ill-judged legal action has therefore cost Marseille and France jobs, foreign investment and lost visitors in circumstances where our Marseille base fully complies with EU regulations for transport workers.”
On Saturday O'Leary threatened to leave [3] in a letter to the Le Parisien newspaper.
Thirteen routes from Ryanair’s Mediterranean hub will cease to operate from 11 January 2011. The airline’s four aircraft and 200 staff will be moved to airports in Spain, Italy and Lithuania. Ten routes will continue to operate to and from Marseille, including Brussels, London, Madrid and Rome.
Michael O'Leary outside the Court of Appeal in London, 13 OctoberPhoto: Reuters/Stefan Wermuth
Ryanair boss O'Leary says airline may quit Marseille over court case [3]
Ryanair profits slump on volcanic ash crisis [4]
Air France files complaint against Ryanair [5]
Source URL: Ryanair flys from Marseille base over illegal working practices case | RFI
Links:
[1] Aeroport de Marseille Provence - Vols, horaires, destinations, acces, parking
[2] News : Ryanair Announces Closure of Marseille Base
[3] Ryanair boss O'Leary says airline may quit Marseille over court case | RFI
[4] Ryanair profits slump on volcanic ash crisis | RFI
[5] Air France files complaint against Ryanair | RFI
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FWIW, as I said before on here, I think he's bluffing and trying to make a European case out of the issue. Does anyone know if there are other similar situations? i.e. Irish contracted workers working somewhere else? If there are he'll move on them too.
In the MRS situation he'll have plenty of local support, the mayor of MRS has said it will be a disaster, and as the mayor of the third city he has clout. Also, ryr has clattered the others on the Maroc routes, and there are a lot of Maghrebians in MRS.
Meanwhile he'll save money, that's his raison d'etre.
I think it will go to Euro court with the likely result of France getting smacked down as its France trying to interpret laws in its favour but that is likely to come back very quickly and bite them.
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Somehow I don't think so. If you are working in France or any other country you should expect to abide by their laws whether you like them or not. Typical Ryanair -throw the toys out of the pram if they don't get there own way - at this rate there is not going to be many prams left!
Just noticed also that all their domestic routes from Marseilles make up part of the routes closed - funny that it wouldn't be competition would it - no of course not! Trouble is I am just an old cynic.
Just noticed also that all their domestic routes from Marseilles make up part of the routes closed - funny that it wouldn't be competition would it - no of course not! Trouble is I am just an old cynic.
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Wise prediction......
First to go will be Glasgow, then Stansted, then Southampton, then Aberdeen.......just leaving the two capital airports and the ferrovial debt substantially repaid with the remaining two airports aquired for a fraction of their value....unbelievable but brilliant !!
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While I see the logic Billy, I think that none will be divested for several years as BAA drag this through appeals in the UK and possibly Europe. Stansted is a cash cow, and divesting of either of the lowland Scottish airports will severely damage them at the other. Southampton and Aberdeen are relatively small beer, and probably not of concern either way.
Time will tell!
Time will tell!
Never mind the gunboats thing, I suspect this may come down to what accountants refer to a person's tax domicile. It can be a grey area, but essentially domicile tries to describe the country of which someone is a permanent resident or has strongest ties. It is not the same as nationality.
A UK soldier sent off to Afghanistan would normally expect to return to the UK after fulfilling their duty, and thus would normally be seen as domiciled in the UK.
An Italian citizen or permanent resident working for a Spanish airline flying all over Europe, but who maintains a long term home in Italy and spends the majority of their nights during an extended period (e.g. a year or more) sleeping in Italy would normally be treated as domiciled in Italy.
There are of course infinite variations on this "what if...". However, for all but the wealthiest of individuals it's usually pretty clear where a person is domiciled.
Domicile in particular looks at a person's long term intentions rather than what someone is doing for a few weeks.
There's a good introduction to this at:
Domicile (law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A UK soldier sent off to Afghanistan would normally expect to return to the UK after fulfilling their duty, and thus would normally be seen as domiciled in the UK.
An Italian citizen or permanent resident working for a Spanish airline flying all over Europe, but who maintains a long term home in Italy and spends the majority of their nights during an extended period (e.g. a year or more) sleeping in Italy would normally be treated as domiciled in Italy.
There are of course infinite variations on this "what if...". However, for all but the wealthiest of individuals it's usually pretty clear where a person is domiciled.
Domicile in particular looks at a person's long term intentions rather than what someone is doing for a few weeks.
There's a good introduction to this at:
Domicile (law) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Excellent point David. I now live in Spain for most of the year only returning to the UK when it is really necessary although retaining my UK nationality. While I live in Spain I abide by Spanish laws and if I worked I would expect to pay taxes etc unfortunately some people (especially from the UK) who come to work here think they can get away without paying taxes etc and if found out are heavily fined and also their employers.
My point I was trying to make is you cannot cherry pick what suits you. People in the UK would be up in arms if say French or Spanish people who worked there did not pay taxes.
My point I was trying to make is you cannot cherry pick what suits you. People in the UK would be up in arms if say French or Spanish people who worked there did not pay taxes.
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Ryanair (and employees) pay the taxes in Ireland. They argue that the crew work on Irish aircraft and thus work in Ireland most of the time. Seems reasonable and every EU country agrees, except France.. But it's not only Ryanair having this problem with France.
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On this rare occasion i find myself agreeing with the French! We have Ryanair aircraft based in the UK ie the crew live here use local services such as hospitals GP roads yet pay no UK tax or NI on their earnings, which in turn puts UK reg airlines at a disadvantage. If you night stop other than in a hotel at your employers expense then you are resident in that country, this is not the same as a lorry driver sleeping in his cab.
Perhaps if the UK adopted this attitude the loss to the UK revenue would be less, in effect UK tax payers are subsidising Ryanair passengers whilst we cut the RAF and child benefit!!
Perhaps if the UK adopted this attitude the loss to the UK revenue would be less, in effect UK tax payers are subsidising Ryanair passengers whilst we cut the RAF and child benefit!!
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Mobile employees my arse
On this rare occasion i find myself agreeing with the French! We have Ryanair aircraft based in the UK ie the crew live here use local services such as hospitals GP roads yet pay no UK tax or NI on their earnings, which in turn puts UK reg airlines at a disadvantage. If you night stop other than in a hotel at your employers expense then you are resident in that country, this is not the same as a lorry driver sleeping in his cab.
Perhaps if the UK adopted this attitude the loss to the UK revenue would be less, in effect UK tax payers are subsidising Ryanair passengers whilst we cut the RAF and child benefit!!
The republic of Ireland is no more than a flag of convenience for MOL
Some of these crews never go to Ireland other than to see the tax/NI scam accountant
Perhaps if the UK adopted this attitude the loss to the UK revenue would be less, in effect UK tax payers are subsidising Ryanair passengers whilst we cut the RAF and child benefit!!
The republic of Ireland is no more than a flag of convenience for MOL
Some of these crews never go to Ireland other than to see the tax/NI scam accountant
Ryanair (and employees) pay the taxes in Ireland. They argue that the crew work on Irish aircraft and thus work in Ireland most of the time. Seems reasonable and every EU country agrees, except France.. But it's not only Ryanair having this problem with France.
The idea that no French people are doing it is a joke as French multinationals have French people on French employment contracts work in overseas locations so clearly with immediate effect other countries can now treat French employees including Diplomats as their taxpayers.
