DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
DTV-Heathrow coming soon ??
Direct flights back on the agenda to Heathrow.
OK then who is going to operate this previously loss making route today?
answers on a postcard(or possibly the stamp) to your local mp.
OK then who is going to operate this previously loss making route today?
answers on a postcard(or possibly the stamp) to your local mp.
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One north east bashing is fashionable this week it seems.Whartons comments are amusing and, as often is the case with new mps, betray a lack of knowledge of the matter in discussion.Hardly surprising as he was probably still in the lower sixth when One North East launched its efforts to assist the councils in ridding themselves of the previous "developer"s plans for the cargo complex on the south side, the various "ransoms" that were in place and paving the way for the introduction of a private investment which, whether you like it or not , did result in a few years positive progress for the place before it all went tits up in the face of a global economic recession. This thread is obsessed with laying blame at anyones door, past or present directors, Government quangos, local councillors, government ministers, as yet no one has had a pop at the Pope but there's time yet. Theres lots of stuff that happened at Teesside
Airport that wouldnt have happened without One North East as a careful scrutiny over the last ten years papers would remind you. As a REGIONAL development agency they could hardly ignore the interests of the bonnie lads and lasses up the road whilst sinking our money in to Teesside where arguably it had less of a chance of a result.Thats just not how it works.
And the region has still got a nice flat development site where who knows one day some jobs might be created. And wouldn't that be a good thing?
Airport that wouldnt have happened without One North East as a careful scrutiny over the last ten years papers would remind you. As a REGIONAL development agency they could hardly ignore the interests of the bonnie lads and lasses up the road whilst sinking our money in to Teesside where arguably it had less of a chance of a result.Thats just not how it works.
And the region has still got a nice flat development site where who knows one day some jobs might be created. And wouldn't that be a good thing?
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Well said Parsnip. DTV failed because of lack of demand.-Pure & Simple! Newcastle International from Teesside is less than the travel time Londoners travel from their city centre to Heathrow. One North East had to do right for the region as a whole (In fact - they did more for DTV than they needed in terms of road infrastructure etc...) Improved surface links to NIA by shorter faster and more comfortable Express Rail & Coach links would be a great start to improve the whole North East Region.
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Free DTV land....roll up, roll up.
Parsnip, that did give me a chuckle 
I've got an idea how to bring in more money.....sell raffle tickets to give the public a chance at getting a piece of the land on the south side which Peel gifted themselves. I could do with a couple of free acres as well
As for london flights starting up again...that was funny. There is a saying Mr Wharton, "You've got two hope's......Bob hope, and No hope"
I've got an idea how to bring in more money.....sell raffle tickets to give the public a chance at getting a piece of the land on the south side which Peel gifted themselves. I could do with a couple of free acres as well
As for london flights starting up again...that was funny. There is a saying Mr Wharton, "You've got two hope's......Bob hope, and No hope"
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The perception on Teesside is that ONE was a purely Newcastle based enterprise which would dole out small amounts of aid to the south of the region on a grudging basis. Whether this is true or not is a matter for which set of statistics you believe. Personally I believe there are lies damn lies and statistics so I am happy to go with the perception.
The Heathrow route was pulled not as purely yield based commercial decision but to free up slots at Heathrow. The Court case against BMI tends to support this.
ONE has always promoted NCL over MME for purely selfish reasons that it was the airport that the board members of ONE used on their junkets alledgedly.
Lack of demand?.... Ask Thomson what their yields are for the Winter season for ALC and TFS. The demand is there if the routes are on offer. Ryan and Wizz had routes to Warsaw and Dublin. Hardly repeat visit cities even in the best of times.
Peel took their eye off the ball at Teesside and tried to promote it as a business man's airport and Loco hub. What they got was routes that nobody wanted to fly and the bread and butter charter companies moved out because they were being treated like poor relations.
Hopefully Peel have learned their lesson and will now edge forward with a well thought out and realistic plan rather than pie in the sky.Hopefully they will also employ someone who actually knows what he/she is doing this time.
The Heathrow route was pulled not as purely yield based commercial decision but to free up slots at Heathrow. The Court case against BMI tends to support this.
ONE has always promoted NCL over MME for purely selfish reasons that it was the airport that the board members of ONE used on their junkets alledgedly.
Lack of demand?.... Ask Thomson what their yields are for the Winter season for ALC and TFS. The demand is there if the routes are on offer. Ryan and Wizz had routes to Warsaw and Dublin. Hardly repeat visit cities even in the best of times.
Peel took their eye off the ball at Teesside and tried to promote it as a business man's airport and Loco hub. What they got was routes that nobody wanted to fly and the bread and butter charter companies moved out because they were being treated like poor relations.
Hopefully Peel have learned their lesson and will now edge forward with a well thought out and realistic plan rather than pie in the sky.Hopefully they will also employ someone who actually knows what he/she is doing this time.
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The shortage of slots at Heathrow still applies, even more so today. Slots are desperately needed for new routes to China etc. so any route servicing DTV would be absolutely dependent on the third runway (for domestic flights) being constructed.
The Heathrow route was pulled not as purely yield based commercial decision but to free up slots at Heathrow. The Court case against BMI tends to support this.
Lack of demand?.... Ask Thomson what their yields are for the Winter season for ALC and TFS. The demand is there if the routes are on offer. Ryan and Wizz had routes to Warsaw and Dublin. Hardly repeat visit cities even in the best of times.
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Thomson left because of Peel only being able to see locos and nothing else, then there's the fact that all charter operators cut back to the major hubs.
Things may well have changed now but prior to the sale farce a seemingly more focused Peel were hoping to get them back for Summer 13.
If the demand wasn't there we wouldn't have had a seasonal based charter carrier for 8 months let alone 8 years or whatever it was.
Things may well have changed now but prior to the sale farce a seemingly more focused Peel were hoping to get them back for Summer 13.
If the demand wasn't there we wouldn't have had a seasonal based charter carrier for 8 months let alone 8 years or whatever it was.
2 local MPs make encouraging noises to show they care about the electorate. One is on opposition benches while the other only made it into Parliament less than 2 years ago.
Govt on the otger hand is severely constrained on budget spending and in no mood to look for any more cash hungry projects, particularly in an area which is traditionally Labour leaning
Makes a nice story for the local press but difficult to see anything coming from it besidss a photo opportunity and some good PR all round
Govt on the otger hand is severely constrained on budget spending and in no mood to look for any more cash hungry projects, particularly in an area which is traditionally Labour leaning
Makes a nice story for the local press but difficult to see anything coming from it besidss a photo opportunity and some good PR all round
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Ownership
Can someone just clear this up for me. The sale to Peel Investments, does that mean that Vancouver no longer have any shareholding in the airport, and it is now owned in the main by the unlisted Peel Group and a little bit by the local authorities?
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All smoke and mirrors. There are a million and one companies starting with Peel and ending with Ltd. All designed no doubt to minimise tax liability, maximise (or minimise) book capital values and pull the wool over everyone's eyes. One day people will wise up to the fact that handing public assets over to "more efficient" private enterprise is an inevitable race to the bottom.
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A little dicky bird told me today that there might be good news for the peeps who work at Teesside. Rumour has it that a certain Irish airline is considering baseing two (yes two) aircraft at MME in the not too distant future. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel?
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Maybe so, but if said Irish airline does turn up they can kiss goodbye to Thomson and pretty much any other new possible operators turning up at MME for a very long time...
Nevertheless, I appreciate (assuming they can get the finances to stack up) two aircraft is better than nothing.
Nevertheless, I appreciate (assuming they can get the finances to stack up) two aircraft is better than nothing.
Ryan Air -Great news
Poland,tenerife alicante girona and dublin my guesses.two aircraft seems a lot though?
Also where will the punters come from as I know I have already booked for the year(and my neighbours) from Newcastle and Leeds.Will this not just dilute their business?
also fear for other operators into DTV!
Also where will the punters come from as I know I have already booked for the year(and my neighbours) from Newcastle and Leeds.Will this not just dilute their business?
also fear for other operators into DTV!
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I agree pug, They would have to take cancel the PFF as thats why ryanair pullws out. I can still see thomson doing well at the airport as ryanair can still be expensive for familys traveling with baggage and other things. If Ryanair do come in with 2 aircraft it would create up to 400,000-550,000 pax for the airport which would be great and may attract more airlines into the airport as the airport could invest more.