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Quote: If Ryanair do come in with 2 aircraft it would create up to 400,000-550,000 pax for the airport which would be great and may attract more airlines into the airport as the airport could invest more.
Sadly more passengers do not necessarily equal more airport investment especially if those passengers come through Ryanair! Have a look at Prestwick who have a larger FR operation but are losing money & have recently been put up for sale.
It would be fantastic for the local area to have more passenger flights from MME but don't assume that a (rumoured) Ryanair base will result in overnight profitability & increased investment.
Sadly more passengers do not necessarily equal more airport investment especially if those passengers come through Ryanair! Have a look at Prestwick who have a larger FR operation but are losing money & have recently been put up for sale.
It would be fantastic for the local area to have more passenger flights from MME but don't assume that a (rumoured) Ryanair base will result in overnight profitability & increased investment.
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Ryanair - A Wise Decision ?
With the airport struggling to make ends meet, is it really a wise decision to have Ryanair as your main airline given that the airline will want to operate free of charge (or maybe want payment for doing so), and that Ryanair passengers are not exactly renown for spending in any airport ? Then there is the Passenger Facility Fee problem to overcome, as Ryanair are not exactly in favour of any charge to customers that they do not control.
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I'm surprised no-one has shot this rumour down in flames! Don't get me wrong I hope it happens.
TSR2 - I agree with you, Ryanair are bad for airports, but surely it would be better to have them based than to not have them at all?
TSR2 - I agree with you, Ryanair are bad for airports, but surely it would be better to have them based than to not have them at all?
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As the most competition to DTV would come from Newcastle, at present FR only offer Dublin and Girona. However Jet 2 seem to offer flights to most obvious destinations from there and some not so obvious; Easyjet has a more limited offering, but seems to serve the bucket-and-spade routes and some cities.
FR's nearest base, LBA offers routes to about twenty-odd places (without even mentioning Jet 2), and DSA seems to have a speciality in flights by Wizz to Poland and Lithuania.
So if FR did base at DTV it would have to be conscious it was fighting a lot of established traffic including its own.
The biggest scepticism I have of the claim is two planes. That's up to six destinations a day (less if Canaries involved), and we know that FR likes to max out the use of its planes, especially in summer - that's how it's been such a success.
But good luck if it is true!
FR's nearest base, LBA offers routes to about twenty-odd places (without even mentioning Jet 2), and DSA seems to have a speciality in flights by Wizz to Poland and Lithuania.
So if FR did base at DTV it would have to be conscious it was fighting a lot of established traffic including its own.
The biggest scepticism I have of the claim is two planes. That's up to six destinations a day (less if Canaries involved), and we know that FR likes to max out the use of its planes, especially in summer - that's how it's been such a success.
But good luck if it is true!
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As far as Ryanair's aircraft utilisation is concerned I flew out of Leeds a month ago and returned the same day, there were three Ryanair aircraft, one was the one I went on and the same airframe brought me back at the night, the other two hadn't budged an inch.
I was at Stansted three days ago and they had twelve aircraft in storage, and that's just the ones I saw, there were more.
So *if* we get two aircraft from them, we may only see the equivalent of one aircraft's worth of flights.
I was at Stansted three days ago and they had twelve aircraft in storage, and that's just the ones I saw, there were more.
So *if* we get two aircraft from them, we may only see the equivalent of one aircraft's worth of flights.
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So *if* we get two aircraft from them, we may only see the equivalent of one aircraft's worth of flights.
They have expanded in to Eastern Europe, notably Hungary recently, and gone into major airports like BCN which was not in their initial philosophy.
So if they have some spare aircraft, they would have to think they could make more profit from them in summer by basing them at MME than either leaving them idle or putting them on routes elsewhere. I don't think they do have spare aircraft, as on the Ryanair thread in PPrune, it's been suggested they've had to cut out a plane (and routes) from places like Faro to serve their suddenly-found market in Budapest; that would suggest, if they were to base at MME, they would consider the routes there to be more profitable than those they'd cut from elsewhere.
I know this is a rumour network and that nature abhors a vacuum, but how much response would some real news generate??
Any comments on this one?
Back to the future for airport marketing manager (From The Northern Echo)
Or this one - can't see RYR operating a LHR service (although if some one was paying them to do it...)
New talks on Durham Tees Valley Airport - Local News - News - Gazette Live
Any comments on this one?
Back to the future for airport marketing manager (From The Northern Echo)
Or this one - can't see RYR operating a LHR service (although if some one was paying them to do it...)
New talks on Durham Tees Valley Airport - Local News - News - Gazette Live
Back to the future marketing manager, lets hope it's not ground hog day!
Still amazed James Warton hasn't got William Hauge involved as his North Yorkshire constituency isn't that far away.
Still amazed James Warton hasn't got William Hauge involved as his North Yorkshire constituency isn't that far away.
Ryan air=damp squib ?
A little bird tells me RYY have now produced their 2012 summer programme...guess wgat no DTV flights Looks like spare capacity is for Budapest filling the malev gap?
Anyone from ryr care to confirm/deny?
Nice to see old faces back pushing the airport forward-ground hog day indeed.
Heathrow running at 99% capacity...no way domestic flights will be reintroduced its a pipe dream.
No slots,no airlines and no passengers = trains(less than 2hours soon)
me thinks we are back to square 1.
Anyone from ryr care to confirm/deny?
Nice to see old faces back pushing the airport forward-ground hog day indeed.
Heathrow running at 99% capacity...no way domestic flights will be reintroduced its a pipe dream.
No slots,no airlines and no passengers = trains(less than 2hours soon)
me thinks we are back to square 1.
Still amazed James Warton hasn't got William Hauge involved as his North Yorkshire constituency isn't that far away.
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NOT YET ---I'm surprised no-one has shot this rumour down in flames! Don't get me wrong I hope it happens.
What makes you think ryanair can make a good go of it??
They cant make routes work out of NCL or DTV in the past....
DTV to Rome, Alicante and Dublin..... ALL NOW GONE !!
NCL to Milan, Shannon, Oslo..... ALL GONE NOW !!!
NCL seems to be able to keep dublin now 2x daily and gerona summer service only.....
DEFO not 2 based aircraft 1 aircraft base could work summer only but from summer 2013??
Could a new deal be done with peal airports?? Ryanair to fly from all peal airports at a lower cost to ryanair just to get the flights off the ground at DTV?
What makes you think ryanair can make a good go of it??
They cant make routes work out of NCL or DTV in the past....
DTV to Rome, Alicante and Dublin..... ALL NOW GONE !!
NCL to Milan, Shannon, Oslo..... ALL GONE NOW !!!
NCL seems to be able to keep dublin now 2x daily and gerona summer service only.....
DEFO not 2 based aircraft 1 aircraft base could work summer only but from summer 2013??
Could a new deal be done with peal airports?? Ryanair to fly from all peal airports at a lower cost to ryanair just to get the flights off the ground at DTV?
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All four Ryanair routes from MME have had excellent loads with at least three of them profitable, the exception being Girona which despite being full all the time must have lacked in yields I'm guessing.
Alicante - PFF
Dublin - Some Irish tax, they pulled a lot of routes along with ours
Rome - Greed, thought they could make more money on CIA-SNN
All four Ryanair routes from MME have had excellent loads with at least three of them profitable, the exception being Girona which despite being full all the time must have lacked in yields I'm guessing.
Alicante - PFF
Dublin - Some Irish tax, they pulled a lot of routes along with ours
Rome - Greed, thought they could make more money on CIA-SNN
All four Ryanair routes from MME have had excellent loads with at least three of them profitable, the exception being Girona which despite being full all the time must have lacked in yields I'm guessing.
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My point......
Ryanair can make MORE money elsewhere and still can make more money today.
They maybe basing 2 aircraft for the winter (storage)!!!
Just can't see it happening
People don't have the money they used too.
Just look at up the road at ncl
TCX down to 2 a320 and 2 b757
Also ONur air flights have been canx!
Airport will make no money out of ryanair it will be like prestwick if they do all ryanair terms
Ryanair can make MORE money elsewhere and still can make more money today.
They maybe basing 2 aircraft for the winter (storage)!!!
Just can't see it happening
People don't have the money they used too.
Just look at up the road at ncl
TCX down to 2 a320 and 2 b757
Also ONur air flights have been canx!
Airport will make no money out of ryanair it will be like prestwick if they do all ryanair terms
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As I have said many times before, I am sure there is a strong possibility that FR will come to Teesside. They have looked at Newcastle a couple of times but not done the deal there (probably because of charges) The North East is the only real gap on the UK map for them, and MME is now on it's knees. They want to have something in the North East and MME will probably do anything to get them there now so I would expect it to happen before too long.
Historically they announce a base in the summer to be opened over the winter so maybe that's what to expect. They normally only rush into a new base when it is to replace someone going bust like malev for example.
Historically they announce a base in the summer to be opened over the winter so maybe that's what to expect. They normally only rush into a new base when it is to replace someone going bust like malev for example.
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Good point Skyman
Cant quite see the economic logic in operating from so many UK airports within so few miles?
Leeds,Humberside MME and NCL Manch.could/should? be merged.
The worrying thing for DTV is that only 7000 passengers used the service in January...cant think February would be much better?
The weak link in the above list seems to be MME.Does anyone know how many passengers were being carried out of Liverpool before they got the chop?
I still cant see ryanair diluting there leeds traffic-but then who knows!
Cant quite see the economic logic in operating from so many UK airports within so few miles?
Leeds,Humberside MME and NCL Manch.could/should? be merged.
The worrying thing for DTV is that only 7000 passengers used the service in January...cant think February would be much better?
The weak link in the above list seems to be MME.Does anyone know how many passengers were being carried out of Liverpool before they got the chop?
I still cant see ryanair diluting there leeds traffic-but then who knows!
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Highwideandugly, what do you ,mean by "Leeds,Humberside MME and NCL Manch.could/should? be merged"?
Do you mean the PPRUNE threads on each airport? Do you mean FR bases?
Do you mean the PPRUNE threads on each airport? Do you mean FR bases?
Highwideandugly, what do you ,mean by "Leeds,Humberside MME and NCL Manch.could/should? be merged"?
Do you mean the PPRUNE threads on each airport? Do you mean FR bases?
Do you mean the PPRUNE threads on each airport? Do you mean FR bases?