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Investing in everything except DTV
Peel Empire investing in everything but airports 
Pinewood - Film & Television studio facilities from pre to post production
The home page Homepage - The Peel Group features a sample of what they think DTV will look like in a couple of years?
Pinewood - Film & Television studio facilities from pre to post production
The home page Homepage - The Peel Group features a sample of what they think DTV will look like in a couple of years?
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Emirates 777
I noticed Emirates are bringing a 777 to Newcastle.
A poster mentioned a snippet on the NCL thread.
"On a more serious note thats my DTV to Dubai trip sorted...sorry KLM and I'm sure this will have a knock on effect on the KLM flights ex DTV ?"
Councilor Nick Forbes (Leader) of Newcastle City Council was intervied on BBC Look North TV tonight, and says they have lobbied hard to get more routes into NCL.
What about DTV? Oh yes thats right, the Peel Empire management wouldn't talk to the local (ex Cleveland) councils or airport committee recently
A poster mentioned a snippet on the NCL thread.
"On a more serious note thats my DTV to Dubai trip sorted...sorry KLM and I'm sure this will have a knock on effect on the KLM flights ex DTV ?"
Councilor Nick Forbes (Leader) of Newcastle City Council was intervied on BBC Look North TV tonight, and says they have lobbied hard to get more routes into NCL.
What about DTV? Oh yes thats right, the Peel Empire management wouldn't talk to the local (ex Cleveland) councils or airport committee recently
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"On a more serious note thats my DTV to Dubai trip sorted...sorry KLM and I'm sure this will have a knock on effect on the KLM flights ex DTV ?"
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As someone else has already introduced the subject as to events up the road then my observations are that whilst EK is undoubtedly good for NCL, & probably good for the region in general, there is nothing positive to take at all for DTV. There will necessarily be more pressure on KL who are going to have to hold rates at NCL to attract transit pax, with presumably a two fold effect, competitive pricing at NCL making this operation even more price competitive to DTV thus forcing more migration of current pax northwards. It is of course completely ludicrous to suggest that KL would be in a position to reduce fares at DTV
A final & sobering thought, then a bit of simple maths reflects that on a month on month review, one 777 is able to carry c.24k round trip pax p.m. & based on say a target 80% occupancy then at c.19K pax (yes noted there will be "significant" ? improvement come summer) then currently we would still be at a level of 1.5 times the current monthly total pax at DTV!
A final & sobering thought, then a bit of simple maths reflects that on a month on month review, one 777 is able to carry c.24k round trip pax p.m. & based on say a target 80% occupancy then at c.19K pax (yes noted there will be "significant" ? improvement come summer) then currently we would still be at a level of 1.5 times the current monthly total pax at DTV!
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EK is never going to be a serious threat to KL in terms of transit passengers from NCL because they're only in competition for people going to S Asia/SE Asia/Oz/NZ. KLM takes people going to all over Europe and Africa as well as North America.
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Failing Airport?
Failing Airport? I think not after the A300, MD11, A330, Dash 8, 737, Hawk Tucano, VC10, EC135, Socata TBM850 movements of today! On top of all the 'normal' movements.
On a serious note, it does show what the airport can be successful at, rather than just passenger services.
On top of all the 'normal' movements. On a serious note, it does show what the airport can be successful at, rather than just passenger services.
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mmeman - I was thinking the exact same thing! I was photographing most of those movements today and at the time I thought to myself "Don't tell me this airport cannot be successful".
I've been thinking of a way to put this on here all day without being shot down in flames!
I've been thinking of a way to put this on here all day without being shot down in flames!
One swallow....
Yes interesting day at MME yesterday.
But hold your breath and think about it for a moment.
In terms of revenue.
The (i suppose) trooping flights were the main item.However..not many passengers and not paying the Ł6 tax? so landing fees only...couple of thousand each?
Crew training Dash 8 probably nothing
Thomson contract so in the budget already
military pd's almost nothing
a couple of lights...nothing
FRL contract
and dont forget this is a one off.Someone asked how many movements(landing/takeoffs)..well i made it about 50 ish?
Airport say they are loosing 10K per day? well yesyerday I recon they only lost 2K ish!
On a more positive note a little rumour going round yesterday that Lufthansa were coming to discuss a Frankfurt service..any one else hear that? Dont blaim me..blaim the guy in the fish shop!
But hold your breath and think about it for a moment.
In terms of revenue.
The (i suppose) trooping flights were the main item.However..not many passengers and not paying the Ł6 tax? so landing fees only...couple of thousand each?
Crew training Dash 8 probably nothing
Thomson contract so in the budget already
military pd's almost nothing
a couple of lights...nothing
FRL contract
and dont forget this is a one off.Someone asked how many movements(landing/takeoffs)..well i made it about 50 ish?
Airport say they are loosing 10K per day? well yesyerday I recon they only lost 2K ish!
On a more positive note a little rumour going round yesterday that Lufthansa were coming to discuss a Frankfurt service..any one else hear that? Dont blaim me..blaim the guy in the fish shop!
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a lot of aircraft movements for once, just to ask do you think the frankfurt service would take off from MME. What kind of pax would this attract to us.Also what kind of aircraft would they use
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One North East failed DTV Airport and the community.
According to local MP Mr Wharton, the now defunct "One North East" failed to apply for a PSO grant which has been raised with transport secretary.
Wasn't it One North East who helped Peel obtain the cargo centre (south side) land and paid for the new fence which cut the airport in half?
Is anyone from the ONE board working for Peel now
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new..._with_capital/
Speaking afterwards, Mr Wharton added:
“I hope this is something our LEP can explore, it certainly seems to be one possible way of helping to secure Teesside Airport’s future.
It is staggering that One North East let Teesside (DTV) Airport down so badly, their focus on Newcastle at the expense of the rest of the region is a legacy our LEP must now address.”
Wasn't it One North East who helped Peel obtain the cargo centre (south side) land and paid for the new fence which cut the airport in half?
Is anyone from the ONE board working for Peel now
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new..._with_capital/
Speaking afterwards, Mr Wharton added:
“I hope this is something our LEP can explore, it certainly seems to be one possible way of helping to secure Teesside Airport’s future.
It is staggering that One North East let Teesside (DTV) Airport down so badly, their focus on Newcastle at the expense of the rest of the region is a legacy our LEP must now address.”
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I find it very hard to believe Lufthansa would come knocking at our door when they already operate a service from up the road.
On a more positive note, there are some staff at the airport who in the past have been super-critical of Peel but have had the takeover explained to them in depth and are suddenly willing to give them a chance. So maybe they have turned a corner?
On a more positive note, there are some staff at the airport who in the past have been super-critical of Peel but have had the takeover explained to them in depth and are suddenly willing to give them a chance. So maybe they have turned a corner?
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we will have to wait and see if peel have started afresh when we see more traffic arriving into DTVA. Lets hope they can get the right traffic into the airport and make the airport a good airport once again
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The MP's PSO suggestion is ludicrous. Links between Scottish islands and Glasgow are hardly comparable with DTV and Heathrow. There's an excellent train service between Darlington and London, plus slots in Glasgow are hardly as scarce and expensive as those at Heathrow.
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It is staggering that One North East let Teesside (DTV) Airport down so badly, their focus on Newcastle at the expense of the rest of the region is a legacy our LEP must now address
The MPs PSO suggestion is ludicrous.
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One Northeast is a joke, it should be called One Tyne and Wear, or even just One Newcastle!
Currently at least 8 out of the 12 board members are from the Newcastle/Sunderland area or have business/personal interests in the area and the other 4 I not sure on! Plenty of conflicts of interest there!
SWBKCB what I believe the MP is saying is that the One Northeast invested heavily in Newcastle city and the surrounding area to a detrimental affect to the rest of the region and that has had a knock on effect at MME.
If you ask anyone from the southern area of the northeast if One Northeast has been a success and distributed the cash fairly you'll get a resounding no!
For some reason Government believes that the North East is Newcastle and Newcastle alone!
Currently at least 8 out of the 12 board members are from the Newcastle/Sunderland area or have business/personal interests in the area and the other 4 I not sure on! Plenty of conflicts of interest there!
SWBKCB what I believe the MP is saying is that the One Northeast invested heavily in Newcastle city and the surrounding area to a detrimental affect to the rest of the region and that has had a knock on effect at MME.
If you ask anyone from the southern area of the northeast if One Northeast has been a success and distributed the cash fairly you'll get a resounding no!
For some reason Government believes that the North East is Newcastle and Newcastle alone!
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There's an excellent train service between Darlington and London
One Northeast is a joke, it should be called One Tyne and Wear, or even just One Newcastle!
This reflects the government's regional agenda, i.e. to focus less on physical regions, and more on city regions and clusters of industries in particular sectors.
Newcastle Airport is therefore now free, if it wished, to market itself as the 'gateway to the Lake District' without stepping on the toes of the patch formerly covered by the NW regional development agency. Similarly, Teesside Airport could seek closer links with North Yorkshire.
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they'd be connecting to other flights from Heathrow
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