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Old 1st Mar 2012, 19:48
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Free DTV land....roll up, roll up.

Parsnip, that did give me a chuckle
I've got an idea how to bring in more money.....sell raffle tickets to give the public a chance at getting a piece of the land on the south side which Peel gifted themselves. I could do with a couple of free acres as well

As for london flights starting up again...that was funny. There is a saying Mr Wharton, "You've got two hope's......Bob hope, and No hope"
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Old 1st Mar 2012, 23:55
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The perception on Teesside is that ONE was a purely Newcastle based enterprise which would dole out small amounts of aid to the south of the region on a grudging basis. Whether this is true or not is a matter for which set of statistics you believe. Personally I believe there are lies damn lies and statistics so I am happy to go with the perception.
The Heathrow route was pulled not as purely yield based commercial decision but to free up slots at Heathrow. The Court case against BMI tends to support this.
ONE has always promoted NCL over MME for purely selfish reasons that it was the airport that the board members of ONE used on their junkets alledgedly.
Lack of demand?.... Ask Thomson what their yields are for the Winter season for ALC and TFS. The demand is there if the routes are on offer. Ryan and Wizz had routes to Warsaw and Dublin. Hardly repeat visit cities even in the best of times.
Peel took their eye off the ball at Teesside and tried to promote it as a business man's airport and Loco hub. What they got was routes that nobody wanted to fly and the bread and butter charter companies moved out because they were being treated like poor relations.
Hopefully Peel have learned their lesson and will now edge forward with a well thought out and realistic plan rather than pie in the sky.Hopefully they will also employ someone who actually knows what he/she is doing this time.
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 00:04
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The shortage of slots at Heathrow still applies, even more so today. Slots are desperately needed for new routes to China etc. so any route servicing DTV would be absolutely dependent on the third runway (for domestic flights) being constructed.
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 06:42
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The Heathrow route was pulled not as purely yield based commercial decision but to free up slots at Heathrow. The Court case against BMI tends to support this.
Yes - to free up slots for routes that bmi could make more money from - isn't that what a commercial airline should be doing, they're not a social service (and wasn't the court case against bmibaby - how does the bmi LHR route come into it?)


Lack of demand?.... Ask Thomson what their yields are for the Winter season for ALC and TFS. The demand is there if the routes are on offer. Ryan and Wizz had routes to Warsaw and Dublin. Hardly repeat visit cities even in the best of times.
So why aren't TOM offering more flights to more places if they're making so much money at MME? Look at the arrivals/departure board - are all the airlines not listed there wrong or is it all the fault of Peel/ONE/Uncle Tom Cobley?
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Old 2nd Mar 2012, 10:50
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Thomson left because of Peel only being able to see locos and nothing else, then there's the fact that all charter operators cut back to the major hubs.

Things may well have changed now but prior to the sale farce a seemingly more focused Peel were hoping to get them back for Summer 13.

If the demand wasn't there we wouldn't have had a seasonal based charter carrier for 8 months let alone 8 years or whatever it was.
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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 23:21
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'Very encouraging talks' have apparently been happening...

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Old 3rd Mar 2012, 23:59
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2 local MPs make encouraging noises to show they care about the electorate. One is on opposition benches while the other only made it into Parliament less than 2 years ago.

Govt on the otger hand is severely constrained on budget spending and in no mood to look for any more cash hungry projects, particularly in an area which is traditionally Labour leaning

Makes a nice story for the local press but difficult to see anything coming from it besidss a photo opportunity and some good PR all round
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Old 4th Mar 2012, 00:40
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Whan MP opens his mouth nothing usefull usually comes out.
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Old 4th Mar 2012, 08:12
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Ownership

Can someone just clear this up for me. The sale to Peel Investments, does that mean that Vancouver no longer have any shareholding in the airport, and it is now owned in the main by the unlisted Peel Group and a little bit by the local authorities?
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Old 4th Mar 2012, 08:50
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That's correct - see link below for more info.

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Old 4th Mar 2012, 19:40
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All smoke and mirrors. There are a million and one companies starting with Peel and ending with Ltd. All designed no doubt to minimise tax liability, maximise (or minimise) book capital values and pull the wool over everyone's eyes. One day people will wise up to the fact that handing public assets over to "more efficient" private enterprise is an inevitable race to the bottom.
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Old 8th Mar 2012, 23:56
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A little dicky bird told me today that there might be good news for the peeps who work at Teesside. Rumour has it that a certain Irish airline is considering baseing two (yes two) aircraft at MME in the not too distant future. Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel?
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 08:34
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Maybe so, but if said Irish airline does turn up they can kiss goodbye to Thomson and pretty much any other new possible operators turning up at MME for a very long time...

Nevertheless, I appreciate (assuming they can get the finances to stack up) two aircraft is better than nothing.
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 10:38
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Ryan Air -Great news

Poland,tenerife alicante girona and dublin my guesses.two aircraft seems a lot though?

Also where will the punters come from as I know I have already booked for the year(and my neighbours) from Newcastle and Leeds.Will this not just dilute their business?

also fear for other operators into DTV!
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 10:59
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The pax-tax would have to be scrapped first surely?
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 11:29
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I agree pug, They would have to take cancel the PFF as thats why ryanair pullws out. I can still see thomson doing well at the airport as ryanair can still be expensive for familys traveling with baggage and other things. If Ryanair do come in with 2 aircraft it would create up to 400,000-550,000 pax for the airport which would be great and may attract more airlines into the airport as the airport could invest more.
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 13:06
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Any news is good news for the airport right now!
Hopefully there's more truth to this than there were with other rumours!
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 16:38
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Quote: If Ryanair do come in with 2 aircraft it would create up to 400,000-550,000 pax for the airport which would be great and may attract more airlines into the airport as the airport could invest more.

Sadly more passengers do not necessarily equal more airport investment especially if those passengers come through Ryanair! Have a look at Prestwick who have a larger FR operation but are losing money & have recently been put up for sale.
It would be fantastic for the local area to have more passenger flights from MME but don't assume that a (rumoured) Ryanair base will result in overnight profitability & increased investment.
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 18:42
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Ryanair - A Wise Decision ?

With the airport struggling to make ends meet, is it really a wise decision to have Ryanair as your main airline given that the airline will want to operate free of charge (or maybe want payment for doing so), and that Ryanair passengers are not exactly renown for spending in any airport ? Then there is the Passenger Facility Fee problem to overcome, as Ryanair are not exactly in favour of any charge to customers that they do not control.
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Old 9th Mar 2012, 19:03
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I'm surprised no-one has shot this rumour down in flames! Don't get me wrong I hope it happens.

TSR2 - I agree with you, Ryanair are bad for airports, but surely it would be better to have them based than to not have them at all?
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