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Sam...this just shows how poor the infrastructure is at the airport.a couple of extra flights and they cant manage..
I also heard the inbound flight had to hold over Manchester for 40 minutes because the airport wasnt open!! great advert for the airport!!
methinks PEEL are going to have to spend a lot of money and very soon.
interesting news about newcastle and the re finance..maybe some hope there for us?
I also heard the inbound flight had to hold over Manchester for 40 minutes because the airport wasnt open!! great advert for the airport!!
methinks PEEL are going to have to spend a lot of money and very soon.
interesting news about newcastle and the re finance..maybe some hope there for us?
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"methinks PEEL are going to have to spend a lot of money and very soon"
Some would think that Peel have no interest in airports and will turn them all into shopping centres, business parks, prisions or what ever gets them the best return.
Some would think that Peel have no interest in airports and will turn them all into shopping centres, business parks, prisions or what ever gets them the best return.
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lourdes £6 tax - will Peel pay back?
The 2 Lourdes flights are due back into DTV, do you think Peel will give all the passengers in wheel chairs their £6 tax back for the old baggage belts failing??
Nah neither did I
Haven't been through lately, have they started digging for the new drains on the south side yet? Did hear that the Eastern flights havent been in either??
Nah neither did I
Haven't been through lately, have they started digging for the new drains on the south side yet? Did hear that the Eastern flights havent been in either??
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DTV loss means another NCL gain.
DTV loses out again, and they
already had a fire training centre on the field!
Aiport to support offshore training programme (From The Northern Echo)
Come on Mr Peel get your finger out.
already had a fire training centre on the field!
Aiport to support offshore training programme (From The Northern Echo)
Come on Mr Peel get your finger out.
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Contradictions
So, the Council and other worthies want to back public money being spent at MME on creating a Logistics centre:
Durham Tees Valley Airport's £6m plan to create 1,500 jobs (From The Northern Echo)
While another Council and worthies want to stop the same happening at Carlisle. What a strange world we live in !
Durham Tees Valley Airport's £6m plan to create 1,500 jobs (From The Northern Echo)
While another Council and worthies want to stop the same happening at Carlisle. What a strange world we live in !
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The old Peel ten year plans.
Call me sceptical but the old Peel "10 year plan" has been raised again.
Could it be they just want to build an industrial estate, and when the air cargo side doesnt work out they will have a nice new set of buildings which they will own, which was all paid for by the tax payer again?
If you want to see what they can do with an airport have a look at the site of Sheffield Airport. Its an industrial estate now owned by the Empire!
The politicians are being duped by the Peel Empire again.
Something to think about - Cargo moves by night.
Does anyone think the hundreds of new houses now being built on the flight path at the end of the runway are going to allow that in the future??
TNT (cargo) stopped flying into DTV and now ship all their air cargo up to DTV by road. Cant see them changing that anytime soon, but we are talking about the Peel 10 year plan again arent we.
>> Wasnt it just ten years ago that Peel were promising to spend £20m and turn Teesside into a super airport including the valuable land on the south side as a cargo centre?? Oh yes thats why they got the whole airport for £500k!
Peel Plc should get a job with Cameron as his spin doctor, but its only public money they are after isnt it
Could it be they just want to build an industrial estate, and when the air cargo side doesnt work out they will have a nice new set of buildings which they will own, which was all paid for by the tax payer again?
If you want to see what they can do with an airport have a look at the site of Sheffield Airport. Its an industrial estate now owned by the Empire!
The politicians are being duped by the Peel Empire again.
Something to think about - Cargo moves by night.
Does anyone think the hundreds of new houses now being built on the flight path at the end of the runway are going to allow that in the future??
TNT (cargo) stopped flying into DTV and now ship all their air cargo up to DTV by road. Cant see them changing that anytime soon, but we are talking about the Peel 10 year plan again arent we.
>> Wasnt it just ten years ago that Peel were promising to spend £20m and turn Teesside into a super airport including the valuable land on the south side as a cargo centre?? Oh yes thats why they got the whole airport for £500k!
Peel Plc should get a job with Cameron as his spin doctor, but its only public money they are after isnt it
Peel .. Would you buy a used car off them ?
Yes thats all so true Northbound and while nero(peel) fiddles the airport disintegrates.
The May figures out in a day or so..what will they bring? More of the same I would guess.At this rate the airport is too far gone to save.
the news about lost business for the fire ground only accelerates the process..
I will be amazed if FRL/Cobham are still here at the end of 2012.And just where is that extra much lauded extra teneriffe flight?
The May figures out in a day or so..what will they bring? More of the same I would guess.At this rate the airport is too far gone to save.
the news about lost business for the fire ground only accelerates the process..
I will be amazed if FRL/Cobham are still here at the end of 2012.And just where is that extra much lauded extra teneriffe flight?
CAA provisional stats for May 2012
13,628 passengers for the month, down 16.5%
175,058 passengers for the last 12 months, down 24.8%
8,406 passengers on the Amsterdam route, down 7%, no figures available for NCL yet
13,628 passengers for the month, down 16.5%
175,058 passengers for the last 12 months, down 24.8%
8,406 passengers on the Amsterdam route, down 7%, no figures available for NCL yet
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Reservations
The latest spin about the £5.9m Peel scheme for the south side.
Cautious welcome for Durham Tees Valley Airport jobs plan (From The Northern Echo)
Me thinks they just want the free government money
Cautious welcome for Durham Tees Valley Airport jobs plan (From The Northern Echo)
Me thinks they just want the free government money
It's not 'free money' in that any grant won't cover funding for the whole development - Peel will be stumping up as well, and yes, it is monitored.
Regional Growth Fund | Policies | BIS
The cases at MME and CAX aren't comparable - at MME planning permission has already been granted for the area for which development funding is being sought, at CAX the argument is about whether planning permission can be granted and whether the proposed aviation element of the development is viable (personally, I think the Sheffield City analogy is more relevant).
Two sides to every story - can you imagine the fuss on here if Peel weren't chasing every funding opportunity? "Oh, Peel aren't serious about developing the airport - they can't even be bothered to take 'free money' of the government..."
Regional Growth Fund | Policies | BIS
The cases at MME and CAX aren't comparable - at MME planning permission has already been granted for the area for which development funding is being sought, at CAX the argument is about whether planning permission can be granted and whether the proposed aviation element of the development is viable (personally, I think the Sheffield City analogy is more relevant).
Two sides to every story - can you imagine the fuss on here if Peel weren't chasing every funding opportunity? "Oh, Peel aren't serious about developing the airport - they can't even be bothered to take 'free money' of the government..."
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The fact that PP has already been granted at MME and not at Carlisle is irrelevant to the principle.
At Carlisle it is being opposed because the Council believes that it may be just a front for a road based haulage depot and warehouse facility. Whereas at MME the very same thing is being encouraged. In both cases it may bring extra jobs and etc., but it's happening at both because airport land tends to be flat and accommodates big sheds. At MME there is nothing in the public domain yet that
evidentially ties the proposed investment into development of the actual airport facility and function.
Of course Peel will have to stump up money for the development - that is their business: speculate to accumulate. But if they can speculate on the cheap by getting a big lump of public money, that more than compensates for the losses incurred in the short term with the inconvenience of having to operate an airport.
Peel are expert at "accessing" public funding throughout the UK. There's nothing illegal in that, and that's what the shareholders expect any business of that nature to do. However, as a local council tax payer, I do get annoyed at the commercial naievty shown by our elected representatives (aided by some of the highest paid local government chief exec officers) in dealing with them.
At Carlisle it is being opposed because the Council believes that it may be just a front for a road based haulage depot and warehouse facility. Whereas at MME the very same thing is being encouraged. In both cases it may bring extra jobs and etc., but it's happening at both because airport land tends to be flat and accommodates big sheds. At MME there is nothing in the public domain yet that
evidentially ties the proposed investment into development of the actual airport facility and function.
Of course Peel will have to stump up money for the development - that is their business: speculate to accumulate. But if they can speculate on the cheap by getting a big lump of public money, that more than compensates for the losses incurred in the short term with the inconvenience of having to operate an airport.
Peel are expert at "accessing" public funding throughout the UK. There's nothing illegal in that, and that's what the shareholders expect any business of that nature to do. However, as a local council tax payer, I do get annoyed at the commercial naievty shown by our elected representatives (aided by some of the highest paid local government chief exec officers) in dealing with them.
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The original point made was that the two councils involved were acting contrarily, but they aren't and on this point the two cases aren't comparable.
The planning permission at MME is for aviation-related development, so is linked to the development of the airport. In my own view, Peel would be quite happy for the airport to prosper, so long as they don't have to spend to much to make it happen, as it will make their development plans easier to pursue because of the goodwill it will generate for them locally. If it doesn't, they'll use smoke and mirrors to lay the blame elsewhere and then persuade the local authorities they've done everything they can and get the aviation related restrictions lifted.
From the DTVA website:
Media Centre*|*Press Releases*|*Airport submits funding bid for major development project
In the case of CAX, I think the council would like to grant permission in case Stobart's follow through with their threat to move out of the county completely. However, the case for development is so flawed it looks difficult for them to do this legally.
The planning permission at MME is for aviation-related development, so is linked to the development of the airport. In my own view, Peel would be quite happy for the airport to prosper, so long as they don't have to spend to much to make it happen, as it will make their development plans easier to pursue because of the goodwill it will generate for them locally. If it doesn't, they'll use smoke and mirrors to lay the blame elsewhere and then persuade the local authorities they've done everything they can and get the aviation related restrictions lifted.
At MME there is nothing in the public domain yet that evidentially ties the proposed investment into development of the actual airport facility and function.
Media Centre*|*Press Releases*|*Airport submits funding bid for major development project
The ‘Southside’ project will take around ten years to complete and today Peter Nears, Strategic Planning Director for the Peel Group, stressed that, as well as delivering significant new employment, it would help to safeguard jobs at the airport.
He explained “There is planning consent for aviation-related employment in the Southside area and the proposal we have submitted to the Government would generate around 1,500 new jobs.
“This is a very significant project, not just for the airport, but the area as a whole and we have worked closed with the Tees Valley Unlimited Local Enterprise Partnership in the preparation of the bid. We are very pleased that it has the written support of the LEP and the Homes and Communities Agency, together with Stockton and Darlington Borough Councils.
“Since becoming the majority shareholder in the airport earlier this year we have made clear that it is vital for the future of Durham Tees Valley that we develop the full potential of the whole site and the funding we hope to gain through the Regional Growth Fund will enable us to provide a link between the existing airport activities on the north side of the runway and the new employment land to the south.
“Whilst there are a wide range of possibilities for attracting businesses related to aviation activities, we expect that a key element in the development will be logistics services, given the proximity to the A66 , leading to the A1 and the national motorway network.”
He explained “There is planning consent for aviation-related employment in the Southside area and the proposal we have submitted to the Government would generate around 1,500 new jobs.
“This is a very significant project, not just for the airport, but the area as a whole and we have worked closed with the Tees Valley Unlimited Local Enterprise Partnership in the preparation of the bid. We are very pleased that it has the written support of the LEP and the Homes and Communities Agency, together with Stockton and Darlington Borough Councils.
“Since becoming the majority shareholder in the airport earlier this year we have made clear that it is vital for the future of Durham Tees Valley that we develop the full potential of the whole site and the funding we hope to gain through the Regional Growth Fund will enable us to provide a link between the existing airport activities on the north side of the runway and the new employment land to the south.
“Whilst there are a wide range of possibilities for attracting businesses related to aviation activities, we expect that a key element in the development will be logistics services, given the proximity to the A66 , leading to the A1 and the national motorway network.”
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Peel new man maybe?
This character who was well known at DTV is after a new job if Peel are interested 
Fawlty towers Manuel had a similar saying "I know nothing"!
Airline conman Victor Bassey "can't be deported" (From The Northern Echo)
Who is he?
Exactly who is airline conman Victor Bassey? (From The Northern Echo)
He wasnt as clever as Peel in the spin department. Any news from the Europort lot
Fawlty towers Manuel had a similar saying "I know nothing"!
Airline conman Victor Bassey "can't be deported" (From The Northern Echo)
Who is he?
Exactly who is airline conman Victor Bassey? (From The Northern Echo)
He wasnt as clever as Peel in the spin department. Any news from the Europort lot
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SWBKCB, selective underlining there ! What about the last sentence ?
“Whilst there are a wide range of possibilities for attracting businesses related to aviation activities, we expect that a key element in the development will be logistics services, given the proximity to the A66 , leading to the A1 and the national motorway network.”
So what are these "businesses related to aviation activities .....that will generate 1500 jobs" exactly ?
Northbound A1 - you beat me to it !
“Whilst there are a wide range of possibilities for attracting businesses related to aviation activities, we expect that a key element in the development will be logistics services, given the proximity to the A66 , leading to the A1 and the national motorway network.”
So what are these "businesses related to aviation activities .....that will generate 1500 jobs" exactly ?
Northbound A1 - you beat me to it !
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