DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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DTV Movements website is showing Cobham Flight Inspection as leaving to Bournemouth. Not sure why, I'm guessing if it's not in protest at the parachute drop zone then it's internal politics (they haven't always seen eye-to-eye with Cobham Aviation Services).
This is the second time in about two years they've announced their intention to leave, the first time around they simply didn't so they may not again? What worries me is if one can go so can the other, although CAS have tried before but as they found out it wasn't as easy as they thought it was going to be.
Edit: It could also be only temporary over winter if they're concerned about snow closures, but then they stayed last winter??
This is the second time in about two years they've announced their intention to leave, the first time around they simply didn't so they may not again? What worries me is if one can go so can the other, although CAS have tried before but as they found out it wasn't as easy as they thought it was going to be.
Edit: It could also be only temporary over winter if they're concerned about snow closures, but then they stayed last winter??
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Cobham
No details yet to see but the headline is "leaving", rather than heading away for a "couple of weeks". Do we take this to mean leaving for good?
If that is the case, then the uphill battle to subsidise passenger services with other income just got worse. Cobham get a big mention in the recovery plan they put out last month.
A blip? A misunderstanding on our part? A house of cards?
Yikes.
If that is the case, then the uphill battle to subsidise passenger services with other income just got worse. Cobham get a big mention in the recovery plan they put out last month.
A blip? A misunderstanding on our part? A house of cards?
Yikes.
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Yes they did but if it's just for the winter why would one leave and not the other? They must not have taken the decision lightly, since if they're operating from Bournemouth their transit time / fuel costs will increase.
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A bit of misunderstanding on my part, what is the difference between the two operations then? Is the suggestion that just one half is going?
Didn't appreciate there were two sides to the Cobham MME operation.
Didn't appreciate there were two sides to the Cobham MME operation.
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Isn't the master plan just a sideshow?
It has to be adopted in one form or another, as the consequences of non adoption are worse than those of adoption, for all those, other than Peel that is.
Any how in whatever form the plan is adopted, then there is no saying that Peel will continue to adhere to it, at least in the format as initially presented.
In being rather cynical, then the eventual outcome will purely be that which is most financially beneficial to Peel, and that may, or may not, include the provision of Air Transport services.
The point is that as the provision of Air Transport services are currently "a loss making activity" then there may be a view amongst the "hawks" within the Peel organisation, that continued investment in this particular area, is unjustifiable...
It has to be adopted in one form or another, as the consequences of non adoption are worse than those of adoption, for all those, other than Peel that is.
Any how in whatever form the plan is adopted, then there is no saying that Peel will continue to adhere to it, at least in the format as initially presented.
In being rather cynical, then the eventual outcome will purely be that which is most financially beneficial to Peel, and that may, or may not, include the provision of Air Transport services.
The point is that as the provision of Air Transport services are currently "a loss making activity" then there may be a view amongst the "hawks" within the Peel organisation, that continued investment in this particular area, is unjustifiable...
Flight inspection
One Beech 200 and one DA-42 is what it is, maintenance is done in Germany and Gamston. They even get charged to park in the hangar at DTVA. The Beech 350s have been Germany based for some time.
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The master plan is not a side show and the first of the new hangars will be erected in the spring.
P330, there is Cobham Aviation Services (Falcon 20s) and Cobham Flight Inspection (B200 & DA42), it's the latter operation that are allegedly leaving.
The damage is minimal given they only account for five or six movements a week these days but that's not the point, lost business is lost business, though I'm starting to think this one may be out of the airports hands.
P330, there is Cobham Aviation Services (Falcon 20s) and Cobham Flight Inspection (B200 & DA42), it's the latter operation that are allegedly leaving.
The damage is minimal given they only account for five or six movements a week these days but that's not the point, lost business is lost business, though I'm starting to think this one may be out of the airports hands.
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Once the 400 houses have been built and occupied, it will probably make any expansion of flights at the airport impossible, with the main objections coming from the new residents (noise, pollution etc.). They will probably object to existing aircraft noise.
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My sentiments entirely
DTVAirport
Your stoic attitude in support of everything put in front of you by the owners is commendable, if not a little naive. Errecting a few hangars is not an issue either way as they could be turned to a multitude of uses. Perhaps you may obtain a greater understanding of the owners intentions if you were to address their attitude to the granting of leases to existing aviation related activities......
As for those attending to view the masterplan then I suspect that there is a predominance of local residents anxious to secure comfort that their own peaceful environment is not compromised, and actually has very little to do with actual operation of a working airport. Indeed they would presumably be the same nimby's who would turn out IF fortune had been different in that the master plan presenred was actually one of expansion.
& now what are you coming up with ?, surely not something along the lines "It's not our fault!"
Once the 400 houses have been built and occupied, it will probably make any expansion of flights at the airport impossible, with the main objections coming from the new residents (niose, pollution etc.). They will probably object to existing aircraft noise.
DTVAirport
Your stoic attitude in support of everything put in front of you by the owners is commendable, if not a little naive. Errecting a few hangars is not an issue either way as they could be turned to a multitude of uses. Perhaps you may obtain a greater understanding of the owners intentions if you were to address their attitude to the granting of leases to existing aviation related activities......
As for those attending to view the masterplan then I suspect that there is a predominance of local residents anxious to secure comfort that their own peaceful environment is not compromised, and actually has very little to do with actual operation of a working airport. Indeed they would presumably be the same nimby's who would turn out IF fortune had been different in that the master plan presenred was actually one of expansion.
I'm starting to think this one may be out of the airports hands.
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Cobham
Has anybody heard why the flight inspection part of Cobham are moving south?
Will the falcons be following?
Was it too expensive to stay at DTV or was there another reason?
Will the falcons be following?
Was it too expensive to stay at DTV or was there another reason?
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skyman771 - I only support the airport when they give me reason to, if they give me reason to criticise I will not hesitate, and that's bearing in mind they know who I am on here and I'm well aware they can and do read what I post.
I'm not commenting on the Cobham situation until I know the reason, I'm not saying it's not the airports fault as you suggest, I was referring to what Robert mentioned when he suggest in-fighting at Cobham as a *possible* reason. One thing I do know for sure, Cobham Aviation Services have no plans to leave at this time.
Could you please elaborate on the 'their attitude to the granting of leases to existing aviation related activities' comment?
I'm not commenting on the Cobham situation until I know the reason, I'm not saying it's not the airports fault as you suggest, I was referring to what Robert mentioned when he suggest in-fighting at Cobham as a *possible* reason. One thing I do know for sure, Cobham Aviation Services have no plans to leave at this time.
Could you please elaborate on the 'their attitude to the granting of leases to existing aviation related activities' comment?
Welcome back beefier
The truth has returned...how was internment?
The hangers(9)
Is this speculative build or have peel got companies in mind who are able/willing to finance up front before the"master plan" gets the goes ahead? Quite unlikely that peel will put their hands in the pocket..they haven't so far....
The hangers(9)
Is this speculative build or have peel got companies in mind who are able/willing to finance up front before the"master plan" gets the goes ahead? Quite unlikely that peel will put their hands in the pocket..they haven't so far....
Beafy bull excrament
Didn't think a developer has been chosen for the proposed DTVA site never mind the road names.
Thornaby airfield, this is where Teesside industrial estate is a number of buildings still survive towards the town centre.
Ingelby Barwick was green field farm land.
Thornaby airfield, this is where Teesside industrial estate is a number of buildings still survive towards the town centre.
Ingelby Barwick was green field farm land.
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Peel will have nothing to do with the housing estate so won't be thinking of names, they're merely providing the land, thereafter it will be in a third parties hands.