DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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Lets hope it does remain an airport.
More spin from Peel in the press today.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/te...4229-31872986/
The public comments below the article say it all.
Can the councils ask for the airport back and send Peel packing with the £500k they paid for it.
More spin from Peel in the press today.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/te...4229-31872986/
The public comments below the article say it all.
Can the councils ask for the airport back and send Peel packing with the £500k they paid for it.
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Great. So the August decline was due to a couple of one-off factors. So I wonder what one-off factors they argue caused the 17% year-on-year drop in pax in May and July and the 25% drop in June?
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Peter Nears, strategic planning director for the Peel Group, the airport owner, said the crude passenger figures did not give a full picture.
“In fact the reality is that the services currently operating from the airport have all performed well over recent months. For example, one of the most important measures for airlines is what is known as the load factor - in other words the percentage of seats filled. In the case of our key service, the KLM three-times-a-day link to Amsterdam Schiphol, load factors have shown a significant increase in recent months following the launch in May of a major joint marketing campaign, highlighting the access to worldwide destinations via Schiphol.
“The long-established Eastern Airways service to Aberdeen has recently shown increased business, the summer programme to Jersey, operated by Channel island Travel Service and Flybe, has been well over 90% sold this summer, whilst Thomson has shown significantly increased business on its Palma service, coupled with a rise in bookings for next summer."
“In fact the reality is that the services currently operating from the airport have all performed well over recent months. For example, one of the most important measures for airlines is what is known as the load factor - in other words the percentage of seats filled. In the case of our key service, the KLM three-times-a-day link to Amsterdam Schiphol, load factors have shown a significant increase in recent months following the launch in May of a major joint marketing campaign, highlighting the access to worldwide destinations via Schiphol.
“The long-established Eastern Airways service to Aberdeen has recently shown increased business, the summer programme to Jersey, operated by Channel island Travel Service and Flybe, has been well over 90% sold this summer, whilst Thomson has shown significantly increased business on its Palma service, coupled with a rise in bookings for next summer."
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SWBKCB - take a look for yourself...
UK Airport Provisional Statistics: 2012 - 08 | Aviation Intelligence | About the CAA
Aug 2011 saw 16,213 passengers, while Aug 2012 saw 13,772 passengers, a loss of 2,441 passengers or -15.1%
In August 2011, Turkish holiday firm Holidays4U had 1,356 passengers, while the Eastern Airways route to Southampton had 477 passengers. Peter Nears is correct to say these are the main causes of the decline
However, Turkey and Southampton combined led to 11,872 passengers in 2011 - it is essential (but difficult) to find replacement routes and regain these passengers, rather than just accepting the loss.
Jersey
June 2012 - 604, June 2011 - 397, change = +52.1%
July 2012 - 400, July 2011 - 526, change = -24.0%
August 2012 - 393, August 2011 - 440, change = -10.6%
Note - July 2011 and June 2012 each had 5 Saturdays
From Jun 2012-Aug 2012, there were 13 Saturdays
Allowing for a flight every Saturday in the summer, this means each flight had an average of (604 + 400 + 393) / (2 * 13) = 53.7 passengers
Assuming FlyBE use a Dash-8 Q400 on the route with 78 seats, this means a load factor of 68.8 %
I do not understand how one can claim the seats were 90% sold, unless there's some kind of load restriction in place. Durham and Jersey both seem to have a more than ample runway for a Dash-8 for a 1h30m flight
Palma
May 2012 - 1207, May 2011 - 1500, change = -19.5%
June 2012 - 1843, June 2011 - 2305, change = -20.0%
July 2012 - 1477, July 2011 - 1768, change = -16.5%
Aug 2012 - 1446, Aug 2011 - 1787, change = -19.1%
I do not see how one can claim Palma has seen an increase in traffic during summer 2012, unless it is to say that more people go to Palma in July / August compared to May and you ignore seasonality
Amsterdam
March 2012 - 8438, March 2011 - 9218, change = -8.5%
April 2012 - 8736, April 2011 - 9217, change = -5.2%
May 2012 - 8406, May 2011 - 9062, change = -7.2%
June 2012 - 8819, June 2011 - 8849, change = -0.3%
July 2012 - 9050, July 2011 - 9092, change = -0.5%
August 2012 - 8938, August 2011 - 9039, change = -1.1 %
Note - April 2012 had an additional 93 charter passengers which I am ignoring
I do not see how one could claim the Amsterdam route has seen an increase in summer 2012 compared to the previous year. It is possible that in Aug 2012, KLM operated fewer flights to MME compared to Aug 2011, meaning that the load factor has increased despite passenger numbers being down
It is very likely that the KLM marketing campaign at MME in May 2012 slowed the decline in passengers, but KLM passengers numbers at MME are still down compared to the previous year.
I can see how one could claim that an increase from 8,406 in May 2012 to 8,938 in Aug 2012 is an increase in absolute numbers, but this ignores any kind of annual seasonality.
UK Airport Provisional Statistics: 2012 - 08 | Aviation Intelligence | About the CAA
Aug 2011 saw 16,213 passengers, while Aug 2012 saw 13,772 passengers, a loss of 2,441 passengers or -15.1%
In August 2011, Turkish holiday firm Holidays4U had 1,356 passengers, while the Eastern Airways route to Southampton had 477 passengers. Peter Nears is correct to say these are the main causes of the decline
However, Turkey and Southampton combined led to 11,872 passengers in 2011 - it is essential (but difficult) to find replacement routes and regain these passengers, rather than just accepting the loss.
Jersey
June 2012 - 604, June 2011 - 397, change = +52.1%
July 2012 - 400, July 2011 - 526, change = -24.0%
August 2012 - 393, August 2011 - 440, change = -10.6%
Note - July 2011 and June 2012 each had 5 Saturdays
From Jun 2012-Aug 2012, there were 13 Saturdays
Allowing for a flight every Saturday in the summer, this means each flight had an average of (604 + 400 + 393) / (2 * 13) = 53.7 passengers
Assuming FlyBE use a Dash-8 Q400 on the route with 78 seats, this means a load factor of 68.8 %
I do not understand how one can claim the seats were 90% sold, unless there's some kind of load restriction in place. Durham and Jersey both seem to have a more than ample runway for a Dash-8 for a 1h30m flight
Palma
May 2012 - 1207, May 2011 - 1500, change = -19.5%
June 2012 - 1843, June 2011 - 2305, change = -20.0%
July 2012 - 1477, July 2011 - 1768, change = -16.5%
Aug 2012 - 1446, Aug 2011 - 1787, change = -19.1%
I do not see how one can claim Palma has seen an increase in traffic during summer 2012, unless it is to say that more people go to Palma in July / August compared to May and you ignore seasonality
Amsterdam
March 2012 - 8438, March 2011 - 9218, change = -8.5%
April 2012 - 8736, April 2011 - 9217, change = -5.2%
May 2012 - 8406, May 2011 - 9062, change = -7.2%
June 2012 - 8819, June 2011 - 8849, change = -0.3%
July 2012 - 9050, July 2011 - 9092, change = -0.5%
August 2012 - 8938, August 2011 - 9039, change = -1.1 %
Note - April 2012 had an additional 93 charter passengers which I am ignoring
I do not see how one could claim the Amsterdam route has seen an increase in summer 2012 compared to the previous year. It is possible that in Aug 2012, KLM operated fewer flights to MME compared to Aug 2011, meaning that the load factor has increased despite passenger numbers being down
It is very likely that the KLM marketing campaign at MME in May 2012 slowed the decline in passengers, but KLM passengers numbers at MME are still down compared to the previous year.
I can see how one could claim that an increase from 8,406 in May 2012 to 8,938 in Aug 2012 is an increase in absolute numbers, but this ignores any kind of annual seasonality.
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There are lies damn lies and statistics and Peel amongst others are guilty of using their interpretation. What doesn't lie is the fact that Thomson make a profit on all holidays it sells from Teesside. Their problem is dealing with the Management who they don't trust and who they have had serious problems in the past. The same people are trying to woo Thomson but Thomson are happy to sit where they are at present and see what develops whilst putting a decent amount of money into the bank with little effort or risk.
encouraging traffic
not sure how accurate but on another site it lists the price of avgas fuel. Newcastle rather a lot cheaper than here..you would think the airport would match at least to encourage traffic>?? not sure about jet fuel.
also do all small aircraft have to be handled and pay a charge to the agent??
also do all small aircraft have to be handled and pay a charge to the agent??
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At a guess, I'd say he's using Latest fuel prices
The prices are well out of date. AVGAS prices vary wildly from month to month.
Yes, GA aircraft are handled by Weston Aviation just like they are at Samson at EGNT.
Weston charge £10. Last visit to EGNT cost me £25.00.
The landing fee is not included in the above price.
EGNV = £8.66 per half tonne or part of
EGNT = Minimum charge £27.00
Charges based on aircraft MTOW. Average spam can 1 to 1 1/2 tonne.
The prices are well out of date. AVGAS prices vary wildly from month to month.
Yes, GA aircraft are handled by Weston Aviation just like they are at Samson at EGNT.
Weston charge £10. Last visit to EGNT cost me £25.00.
The landing fee is not included in the above price.
EGNV = £8.66 per half tonne or part of
EGNT = Minimum charge £27.00
Charges based on aircraft MTOW. Average spam can 1 to 1 1/2 tonne.
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Based on a recent 'league table' of fuel prices I saw, ranging from Heathrow right down to the likes of Bagby, DTVA was around mid-table.
I know the management are constantly making efforts to reduce the price but it's still reasonable. Certainly not cause for concern.
I know the management are constantly making efforts to reduce the price but it's still reasonable. Certainly not cause for concern.
Flybe released their spring / early summer 2013 schedule today, up to mid July 2013. Loganair's schedule has not however been released yet. This includes some Loganair-operated routes outside Scotland, like the Norwich-Manchester route which is available only to March
I notice that while Flybe have released seats for the 2x per week Doncaster-Jersey and 4x per week Newcastle-Jersey seasonal routes up to mid July, they have not released anything for Durham Tees Valley - Jersey or, for that matter, Humberside - Jersey
Anyone know if it's just a case of "be patient for a few days" or something else is intended ?
I notice that while Flybe have released seats for the 2x per week Doncaster-Jersey and 4x per week Newcastle-Jersey seasonal routes up to mid July, they have not released anything for Durham Tees Valley - Jersey or, for that matter, Humberside - Jersey
Anyone know if it's just a case of "be patient for a few days" or something else is intended ?
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Have you checked on the Tour Operators websites who used the service this year, that should give you some idea if it will operate.
NCL - NQY and NCL - Limoge are not showing either.
NCL - NQY and NCL - Limoge are not showing either.
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He got outvoted 3 - 1 or something, no-one will take this guy seriously. Besides, he's from North Durham and Durham have always pledged their allegiance to Newcastle, so he's possibly biased anyway.
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Maybe this MP is being sensible.Why does the North East need 2 airports? You cannot use the train to get to the airport,I was told that using the bus is not much of an option either So its a car or taxi journey to travel to the airport.There is less choice each year to where you can fly to, and the footfall through the terminal is decreasing each year also.Whats the point of having an airport if no one is using it.Once the people from Teesside get used to the idea that flying from Newcastle,Leeds, Manchester or even East Midlands Airport is the only way to reach their holiday destinations,then there is no longer a need for Teesside Airport.The CAA passenger statistics don't lie,the call to scrap passenger flights could be sooner than you think.
Yawn, ground hog day again! MP talking out of his 
ILS32 overshoot and go around back to the LBA unless you have anything useful to say.
Bit of LBA info for you.
Losses widen at Leeds Bradford Airport
ILS32 overshoot and go around back to the LBA unless you have anything useful to say.
Bit of LBA info for you.
Losses widen at Leeds Bradford Airport
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I think people might find themselves both surprised and pleased with where DTVA finds itself in around two years from now. I'm not saying we'll be back to our (2006) best - that would be an achievement and a half! But we should be in a 'healthy' position.
Of course, that won't stop certain biased, scared-of-a-little-competition individuals on here from finding reasons to bash us, we could have a 10x daily A380 route to Sydney and they'd still find reason to moan!!!
Of course, that won't stop certain biased, scared-of-a-little-competition individuals on here from finding reasons to bash us, we could have a 10x daily A380 route to Sydney and they'd still find reason to moan!!!
DTVAirport - it is always nice to hear of someone with optimism, but your optimism will be accepted by others only if there is a visible reason to have positive thoughts.
Give good objective reasons to convince others why things are looking up, and people will back you.
Alas, the most positive thing I can think of, is that the Turkish and Southampton routes closed over a year ago, so the decline in monthly passengers numbers compared to the month a year earlier has now largely stopped. Thus, I expect passengers numbers for winter 2012/13 to be largely similiar to those in winter 2011/12. I'm struggling to find a reason as to why things are improving.
Or to put it another way, the patient has stopped losing blood, but they are not getting better.
Perhaps you could indicate some of the reasons as to why you think in 2014, MME will be in a healthy position ?
Give good objective reasons to convince others why things are looking up, and people will back you.
Alas, the most positive thing I can think of, is that the Turkish and Southampton routes closed over a year ago, so the decline in monthly passengers numbers compared to the month a year earlier has now largely stopped. Thus, I expect passengers numbers for winter 2012/13 to be largely similiar to those in winter 2011/12. I'm struggling to find a reason as to why things are improving.
Or to put it another way, the patient has stopped losing blood, but they are not getting better.
Perhaps you could indicate some of the reasons as to why you think in 2014, MME will be in a healthy position ?
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All you need to know is that my sources are supremely reliable.
I wouldn't share my information on a respectable forum so I most certainly won't be sharing it on here.
I'm no liar and you have my word that positive things are happening behind the scenes.
I wouldn't share my information on a respectable forum so I most certainly won't be sharing it on here.
I'm no liar and you have my word that positive things are happening behind the scenes.
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I do hope that you are correct, only time will tell. We want to see DTVA survive, but would prefer it to be called Teesside once again as that is what everyone still calls, and knows, it as.