DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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The whole thing is they need to look at airports as a whole . A bit like a chess board So to speak . There should be room to shift cargo flights for example from larger airports put into the regions in order to free up slots for flights moved from heathrow .
Birmingham seems an obvious choice ditto Coventry . Perhaps Teesside needs to chase more bucket and spade routes and eastern Europe to get itself moving .
Birmingham seems an obvious choice ditto Coventry . Perhaps Teesside needs to chase more bucket and spade routes and eastern Europe to get itself moving .
Onyxcrowle, since all of these airports are private operations I dont think theyd take kindly to having their bread and butter flights moved to other airports. As far as I can tell, only LHR is severely constrained, and they dont have cargo flights as such due to the night time restrictions in place.
Market forces will continue to drive airports. MME is in a competitive market, and has the smallest core catchment out of its competitors. Hence the situation its in at the moment.
Market forces will continue to drive airports. MME is in a competitive market, and has the smallest core catchment out of its competitors. Hence the situation its in at the moment.
Friends of Durham Tees Valley Airport
A new support group for Durham Tees Valley Airport has been launched by a local group of aviation enthusiasts and supporters of 'Teesside Airport' to be run in conjunction with the airport management . Details here ;
FoDTVA
A detailed log of airport movements can be found here ;
DTV Movements
FoDTVA
A detailed log of airport movements can be found here ;
DTV Movements
It sounds like people volunteering their time for free to help staff an airport which is owned by a private company so that it can partly reduce its wages bill
I'm sure Dr Beeching will be quivering with fear...
I'm sure Dr Beeching will be quivering with fear...
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CHARITY WORK?
I would think the management must be highly delighted that MUGS are willing towork for free for a company. Do charity work by all means but not for a multi-million pound organisation. I bet all the unemployed in the region must be highly delighted as well!
Missed a few aspects. Members will also get to spend their Saturday afternoons on local High Streets persuading locals to fly from Teesside. Of course airport management will not let them near any meetings that are remotely important - such as meetings with airlines or industry conferences.
In return the leading fanbois (the committee members) get a permanent airside pass at TBW airport while the remaining members get one day passes to let them actually access the area where they will be working for free.
In return the leading fanbois (the committee members) get a permanent airside pass at TBW airport while the remaining members get one day passes to let them actually access the area where they will be working for free.
Or alternatively, somebody actually getting involved in something they care about and think will help their local community, rather than sitting back and taking the p*ss on anonymous internet forums. (and no, I wouldn't be seen dead either - but every story has two sides).
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Don`t think the airport staff would be to happy working next to unpaid and mostly unqualified volunteers after most of there colleagues have been paid off
Members get to pay Ł12.00p a year from january 2013 to work for free
Looks like it`s only the Airport and the committee members with the airside passes who are going to get something from this and not the members
Members get to pay Ł12.00p a year from january 2013 to work for free
Looks like it`s only the Airport and the committee members with the airside passes who are going to get something from this and not the members
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I do feel that nails and coffin and straws and camels come to mind. It would appear that Tui ( the only real friend of the airport ) were not impressed by the negotiating team which were essentially the same that stuffed them some years ago and have decided to wait and see what happens in the short to medium term. I don't think they have looked at the long term for obvious reasons.
That Teneriffe flight...
What ever did become of it? The fanfare has died down..but still cant see any sign of it for this winter? Anyone know what 2013 will bring..more(less) of the same ?
lots of rumours but as always no substance.
Dropped someone off at Newcastle last week..I know ive said it before(and honestly take no pleasure in saying it again) but it looked like a real airport..people,planes and vibrancy...compare that to the post last week about DTV and tumbleweed etc..It really is so run down it will take massive investment from Peel just to get up to speed.Its certainly not a welcoming airport for your average Teesside punter(or international business man?).
oh well lets wait and see..
lots of rumours but as always no substance.
Dropped someone off at Newcastle last week..I know ive said it before(and honestly take no pleasure in saying it again) but it looked like a real airport..people,planes and vibrancy...compare that to the post last week about DTV and tumbleweed etc..It really is so run down it will take massive investment from Peel just to get up to speed.Its certainly not a welcoming airport for your average Teesside punter(or international business man?).
oh well lets wait and see..
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Interesting also if you look at the trends in aircraft movements. On just a quick look at 1990 vs 2011 figures, there's been about a 40% drop in air transport movements - no surprise there - but aero club and private movements are only a quarter of what they were in 1990. Test and training are down from 2453 to only 358. So the diversity that once supported the airport has vanished.
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Anyone know in which year did Teesside gain controlled airspace?
3 x 70 seat planes and 3 x thirty seaters in a whole Friday would not make a compelling case if a new application for Controlled Airspace were to be submitted now, even based on risk.
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Only 4 flights on the departures board today, 2 Amsterdam,1 Palma and a Jersey. I didn't realise things were so quiet.
Doncaster is almost as bad with only 4 flights between 9am and 9pm, did the coffee shop really close down?
Humberside looks busy by comparison, 5 flights.
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Doncaster is almost as bad with only 4 flights between 9am and 9pm, did the coffee shop really close down?
Humberside looks busy by comparison, 5 flights.
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Badbear - with the greatest respect, I think you may have missed the 0610 KLM departure to Amsterdam from Durham Tees Valley.
There's also the weekday flights with Eastern to Aberdeen.
But yes, MME is very quiet when it comes to commercial passenger flights.
There's also the weekday flights with Eastern to Aberdeen.
But yes, MME is very quiet when it comes to commercial passenger flights.
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Been away for a while & certainly not much of any substance appears happening on this site the only relevant postings seem to be from a reasonably realistic current assessment of the current situation by "Highwideandugly" & an informed comment by "paarmo" which present relevant issues.
Unfortunately in absence of political intervention, the trend in decline (at least from a pax aspect) at DTV is likely to continue. The basic & obvious problem is that it's all about pax no.'s/footfall & whether the actual number of commercial movements at present is relevant when discussing pax no’s is debatable as most are simply low capacity "commuter" types.
Even KL is operating from the base level of it's fleet of ageing Fokker types. … perhaps one has to ask oneself why ?
I was passing through AMS recently around c.22.00 ie the time of last daily departures to North East. Flights to NCL & DTV were departing from adjacent gates, offering an opportunity to run a rough profile of the pax & no.'s. & though neither flight was full, circa 55 on the DTV & 85 on the NCL, the profile of the pax appeared remarkably similar.
So here is the question on the "chicken & egg" basis what comes first the pax demand or the aircraft type. KL operated new EMB's on the NCL for their lower demand sectors as opposed to the remains of their fleet of Fokkers offered on the DTV.
One can discuss the reasons at length, but I wonder as to how much longer KL is to retain these ageing Fokker workhorses & perhaps their eventual demise may not bode well for the future at DTV UNLESS progress is made on facilities & other routes.
To me "Friends of this or that" unfortunately offer no respite whatsoever & are no more than “spotters” looking to improve their access to hopefully better subject matter.
As to any group being able to coerce even a single additional individual that they should fly from DTV is also a dream. To effect this one has to be able to convey in a positive manner information that they are not aware, be it services or competitive fares.
With facilities that are becoming on a daily basis “less fit for purpose”, than those of their competitors then where to next ?
Unfortunately in absence of political intervention, the trend in decline (at least from a pax aspect) at DTV is likely to continue. The basic & obvious problem is that it's all about pax no.'s/footfall & whether the actual number of commercial movements at present is relevant when discussing pax no’s is debatable as most are simply low capacity "commuter" types.
Even KL is operating from the base level of it's fleet of ageing Fokker types. … perhaps one has to ask oneself why ?
I was passing through AMS recently around c.22.00 ie the time of last daily departures to North East. Flights to NCL & DTV were departing from adjacent gates, offering an opportunity to run a rough profile of the pax & no.'s. & though neither flight was full, circa 55 on the DTV & 85 on the NCL, the profile of the pax appeared remarkably similar.
So here is the question on the "chicken & egg" basis what comes first the pax demand or the aircraft type. KL operated new EMB's on the NCL for their lower demand sectors as opposed to the remains of their fleet of Fokkers offered on the DTV.
One can discuss the reasons at length, but I wonder as to how much longer KL is to retain these ageing Fokker workhorses & perhaps their eventual demise may not bode well for the future at DTV UNLESS progress is made on facilities & other routes.
To me "Friends of this or that" unfortunately offer no respite whatsoever & are no more than “spotters” looking to improve their access to hopefully better subject matter.
As to any group being able to coerce even a single additional individual that they should fly from DTV is also a dream. To effect this one has to be able to convey in a positive manner information that they are not aware, be it services or competitive fares.
With facilities that are becoming on a daily basis “less fit for purpose”, than those of their competitors then where to next ?
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Anyone know in which year did Teesside gain controlled airspace?
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