DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 5
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1980-1984 - OK thanks NorthSouth.
BMA must have been operating their DC-9s/Viscounts since well before then. When did commercial flights start? (or perhaps when did it stop being Middleton St George? is a better question)
BMA must have been operating their DC-9s/Viscounts since well before then. When did commercial flights start? (or perhaps when did it stop being Middleton St George? is a better question)
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Commercial airline flights don't need to operate solely in Controlled airspace. They can, and often do, use airports outside zones and sometimes with no radar. The charter boys are well accustomed to it.
If airspace around MME were relaxed and nobody made any noise over safety, how big an impact would this really have on the airport given its current situation ?
Are there any constraints as to how much relaxation some of the airport's users (eg KLM) would accept ?
Are there any constraints as to how much relaxation some of the airport's users (eg KLM) would accept ?
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KLM still fly into Humberside every day without controlled airspace, and did so at Norwich for many years until very recently. However at EGNV I understand they stopped routing via FAMBO some time ago because of the number of encounters with military traffic, and now always route to/from the south west inside controlled airspace. I don't believe a withdrawal of the Durham CAS would cause KLM to leave. Then again I don't believe the CAA will withdraw CAS around EGNV unless someone in the aviation community argues for it - and who would?
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All quiet on the western(peel)front
after the bravado of a few months ago when the future of DTV was secured,it seems to have gone very quiet.The cynics may say it is still part of the master plan.
Can anyone with any authority or knowledge say what if anything has actually improved,changed or even happened since those heady days?
figures for august out in a day or so..guess what ..almost certainly down yet again
Surely Peel management havnt bottomless pockets?
anytning planned for 2013 or is it more of the same?
Can anyone with any authority or knowledge say what if anything has actually improved,changed or even happened since those heady days?
figures for august out in a day or so..guess what ..almost certainly down yet again
Surely Peel management havnt bottomless pockets?
anytning planned for 2013 or is it more of the same?
Provisional CAA stats August 2012
Durham Tees Valley
Aug 2012 passengers - 13,772 - down 15.1%
Rolling year passengers - 164,941 - down 21.3%
Newcastle
Aug 2012 passengers - up 2.2%
Rolling year passengers - down 0.5%
Amsterdam route for Aug 2012
MME - 8,938 passengers - down 1.1%
NCL - 24,285 passengers - up 3.8%
In absolute numbers, compared to Aug 2011, MME-AMS lost 101 passengers, while NCL-AMS gained 851 scheduled passengers during August 2012. I'm ignoring the 43 NCL-AMS charter passengers in Aug 2012
August 2011 and 2012 each had 22 weekdays
Amsterdam accounted for 64.9% of all passengers in August, and 60.5% over the rolling year at MME
Aug 2012 passengers - 13,772 - down 15.1%
Rolling year passengers - 164,941 - down 21.3%
Newcastle
Aug 2012 passengers - up 2.2%
Rolling year passengers - down 0.5%
Amsterdam route for Aug 2012
MME - 8,938 passengers - down 1.1%
NCL - 24,285 passengers - up 3.8%
In absolute numbers, compared to Aug 2011, MME-AMS lost 101 passengers, while NCL-AMS gained 851 scheduled passengers during August 2012. I'm ignoring the 43 NCL-AMS charter passengers in Aug 2012
August 2011 and 2012 each had 22 weekdays
Amsterdam accounted for 64.9% of all passengers in August, and 60.5% over the rolling year at MME
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August figures
interesting figures but not surprising.
we only have 2 routes so we have to depend on them ?
What is unknown is how much Peel are also subsidising the KLM route..how much is the airport actually making...very little i would suggest,the same goes for eastern.
which brings me back to the silence..what is peel getting out of all this? matter of time,you can see the headlines now.
'we tried but the public didn't support us...we therefore have no option but to...(you can fill in the rest)
we only have 2 routes so we have to depend on them ?
What is unknown is how much Peel are also subsidising the KLM route..how much is the airport actually making...very little i would suggest,the same goes for eastern.
which brings me back to the silence..what is peel getting out of all this? matter of time,you can see the headlines now.
'we tried but the public didn't support us...we therefore have no option but to...(you can fill in the rest)
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costs and what next
Highwideandugly:
In answer to your question of what will it become...
I believe the DTV losses are just being used to offset the profits on the larger corporation books. Its all a number game with Peel who have very deep pockets. They weren't in a rush to do much with Shefffield, but land will always be valuable.
Question to the staff on the inside: Whats the DTV wage bill, without the other costs such as business rates, maintenance, lighting etc?
What will DTV become?
Someone once mentioned a wind farm. Peel have their own regeneration company OR will it become housing?
My bet is the latter as the council will want the council tax income from housing and will welcome the investment and wont object. Council tax income from estates such as Ingleby Barwick are in the many millions.
DTV has a better view than the expensive Wynard estate. Noow that the old chrome factory has closed any houses built on DTV land would be attractive to buyers.
The 6 local councils would now be sitting pretty if they hadnt given the airport away ten years ago for £500k.
In answer to your question of what will it become...
I believe the DTV losses are just being used to offset the profits on the larger corporation books. Its all a number game with Peel who have very deep pockets. They weren't in a rush to do much with Shefffield, but land will always be valuable.
Question to the staff on the inside: Whats the DTV wage bill, without the other costs such as business rates, maintenance, lighting etc?
What will DTV become?
Someone once mentioned a wind farm. Peel have their own regeneration company OR will it become housing?
My bet is the latter as the council will want the council tax income from housing and will welcome the investment and wont object. Council tax income from estates such as Ingleby Barwick are in the many millions.
DTV has a better view than the expensive Wynard estate. Noow that the old chrome factory has closed any houses built on DTV land would be attractive to buyers.
The 6 local councils would now be sitting pretty if they hadnt given the airport away ten years ago for £500k.
Compared to August 2011
MME:
Jersey - down 10.6%
Palma - down 19.1%
NCL:
Jersey - Aug 2012 data not published yet by CAA
Palma - down 1.1%
MME:
Jersey - down 10.6%
Palma - down 19.1%
NCL:
Jersey - Aug 2012 data not published yet by CAA
Palma - down 1.1%
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Unlikely ! at least in its present form.
With the winter season approaching, then will DTV have the resource to deal with extreme weather? More costs for lower pax no.'s reflects serious subsidies from large pockets......
Nortbound A1
It is true that in the past Peel were able to utilise large losses from previous years against profits earned elsewhere in the group thus having a significant impact on the groups cash flow. However to run a business accepting that projected losses are to be sustained & may even worsen, but that it's not too bad as there are surplus elsewhere in the group available for relief is not actually a positive argument at all.
or maybe it will just stay as an airport
With the winter season approaching, then will DTV have the resource to deal with extreme weather? More costs for lower pax no.'s reflects serious subsidies from large pockets......
Nortbound A1
It is true that in the past Peel were able to utilise large losses from previous years against profits earned elsewhere in the group thus having a significant impact on the groups cash flow. However to run a business accepting that projected losses are to be sustained & may even worsen, but that it's not too bad as there are surplus elsewhere in the group available for relief is not actually a positive argument at all.