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Old 20th Oct 2016, 00:02
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Yeah I wonder that as well... I can't be the only person who, for the most part, travels on a weekend?

Maybe it's just lower yield passengers on Saturdays and they don't deem it worth operating the flight.

If Aer Lingus has less transatlantic flights on Saturdays I can understand why... Ryanair though, is mostly leisure, so I'd have thought there'd be demand

Without even looking yet, I'll put money that they both leave roughly, if not exactly the same time?
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 01:34
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I notice DUB goes to 1 daily on a Saturday on both Aer Lingus and Ryanair. Will be using the morning SAT Aer Lingus flight too, but does demand really fall so short on a Saturday?

Also, interestingly enough, on my last trip to Newcastle, there was a Hen Party on my return flight to Dublin, having their hen IN Dublin!
EI have never operated a second Saturday service but overall they are operating 16 weekly (+1 weekly on last winter) with x 3 Su (+1), Mo, Fr.

Both weekends flights now depart DUB at 08.15 and 08.30 (same lather LBA as well) and not the usual 06.00-07.00 service. Could be many reasons for this and not just lack of demand.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 05:40
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Originally Posted by EK77WNCL View Post
Without even looking yet, I'll put money that they both leave roughly, if not exactly the same time?
Pretty dangerous that.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 07:52
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Originally Posted by EK77WNCL View Post
Without even looking yet, I'll put money that they both leave roughly, if not exactly the same time?
Pretty dangerous that.
Counter-intuitively, it's actually clever to do so. There's an economic theory that states it's beneficial to do this, but I've forgot the name of it.

Basically, the theory goes that by separating the times of flights, say Easyjet operating in the morning and Ryanair in the afternoon, you are dividing the market. Instead of appealing to everyone, the Easyjet flights now only appeal to those who want to travel in the morning, and Ryanair only appeal to those wishing to travel in the afternoon.

But by grouping the flights together, time is no longer an issue. Everyone has to travel at that time regardless of whether they wanted to or not. Now you can target the whole market, and capture traffic based on brand or price.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 13:14
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I think Chesty's post was a joke....
(as in 2 planes taking off side by side on the runway. Or maybe a tow rope)
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 13:51
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I think Chesty's post was a joke....
(as in 2 planes taking off side by side on the runway. Or maybe a tow rope)
reading it again, I think you are right. I don't do jokes in the morning (or much else
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 14:06
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Well let's have these again.

Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humor. Here are some actual maintenance complaints submitted by pilots (marked with a P) and the solutions recorded (marked with an S) by maintenance engineers.
P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement.
S: Almost replaced left inside main tire.
P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough.
S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft.
P: Something loose in cockpit.
S: Something tightened in cockpit.
P: Dead bugs on windshield.
S: Live bugs on back-order.
P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent.
S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.
P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear.
S: Evidence removed.
P: #2 Propeller seeping prop fluid
S: #2 Propeller seepage normal – #1 #3 and #4 propellers lack normal seepage
P: DME volume unbelievably loud.
S: DME volume set to more believable level.
P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick.
S: That’s what they’re for
P: IFF inoperative.
S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode.
P: Suspected crack in windshield.
S: Suspect you’re right.
P: Number 3 engine missing.
S: Engine found on right wing after brief search.
P: Aircraft handles funny.
S: Aircraft warned to straighten up, fly right, and be serious.
P: Target radar hums.
S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics
P: Mouse in cockpit.
S: Cat installed.
And the best one for last.
P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding on something with a hammer.
S: Took hammer away from midget.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 20:13
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They're good! Old, but goodun's

Also, does anyone have any info on what Flybe's previous base and routes were from NCL? For example, how many aircraft did we have at peak? And routes?

Belfast City? How many times a day did we have at most? Was Exeter previously more than x6 weekly (could have sworn it was 2 daily). I remember they dabbled in Aberdeen, was there anything else? Limoges... Did they fly anywhere else in France?

And another thing, Easyjet's Stansted service, what kind of traffic did it cater for? Obviously some will have been London bound passengers, but was there an equal proportion of people bound for elsewhere in the South East/Norfolk/Midlands? It interests me where 250/300,000 passengers have gone...
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 21:03
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flybe to BHD was 5 daily before EZY launched BFS.

They had previously done IOM and replaced Gill on the AF CDG flights.

Exeter and Southampton were launched as daily in Oct 2004, SOU went twice daily the following summer and weekly JER added (JER went 4 weekly in 2006)

Weekly Limoges launched May 2007

Gatwick, Rennes, Aberdeen and Cardiff launched summer 2008
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 21:08
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 View Post
reading it again, I think you are right. I don't do jokes in the morning (or much else
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 23:10
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Flybe at NCL

.... don't forget Newquay, Saturdays only May - Sept.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 23:31
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It would be interesting to see if they have any plans to build themselves up again at NCL

I wonder if they could do Birmingham, I'm not surprised Eastern failed to be honest, with the fares they charged! But if Flybe can offer a faster and cheaper alternative to the train, then why not? 70 seats at £50-100 shouldn't be much more difficult than 20 seats at £300... Or does business not work like that?
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 05:09
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Flybe have also tried Hanover and Bergen from NCL
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 09:30
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Originally Posted by EK77WNCL View Post
It would be interesting to see if they have any plans to build themselves up again at NCL

I wonder if they could do Birmingham, I'm not surprised Eastern failed to be honest, with the fares they charged! But if Flybe can offer a faster and cheaper alternative to the train, then why not? 70 seats at £50-100 shouldn't be much more difficult than 20 seats at £300... Or does business not work like that?
It's the whole time vs cost thing isn't it? If you have to do security etc for two hours before at the airport, bit of a pain, if the costs were the same however I would fly every time. People feel safer by train than in the sky as well I would generalise.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 13:55
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Originally Posted by jamesgrainge View Post
It's the whole time vs cost thing isn't it? If you have to do security etc for two hours before at the airport, bit of a pain, if the costs were the same however I would fly every time. People feel safer by train than in the sky as well I would generalise.
1 hour at airport plus 1 hour ish flight = 2 hours. train is 3 - 3 1/2 hours plus 15 mins before it goes. so train takes more than twice as long. why would people feel safer on a train than on a plane? you are also guaranteed a seat on a plane.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 14:19
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The train operates up to an hourly frequency with journeys taking as little as 2:50.

The train has multiple pickup points at Morpeth, Newcastle, Durham and Darlington and takes you're direct to the centre of Birmingham. In isolation the train likely has a larger catchment too.

You need to travel to the airport and park up. Travelling to and from one of the mentioned stations is quicker and easier for most.

You also have the benefit of turning up and departing on the next train (ticket type permitting) and XC trains allow you to text and book a seat ten mins prior to departure.

I'm surprised it lasted for so long.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 20:17
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Originally Posted by HeartyMeatballs View Post
The train operates up to an hourly frequency with journeys taking as little as 2:50.

The train has multiple pickup points at Morpeth, Newcastle, Durham and Darlington and takes you're direct to the centre of Birmingham. In isolation the train likely has a larger catchment too.

You need to travel to the airport and park up. Travelling to and from one of the mentioned stations is quicker and easier for most.

You also have the benefit of turning up and departing on the next train (ticket type permitting) and XC trains allow you to text and book a seat ten mins prior to departure.

I'm surprised it lasted for so long.
You need to travel to train station and park up also. Driving to any city center train station you will need to allow more time for traffic than going to newcastle airport which is quite easy to get to. You can get next train ticket type permitting, but these cost more and may involve a change taking longer. Think most people would book easiest journey and cost would be secondry.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 20:19
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cost would be secondary.
!!!!

Makes you wonder how Megabus are still in business...
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 20:22
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Newcastle airport isn't easy to get to for everyone. People living south of the river don't find it that easy. They can also connect more locally via Durham and Darlo and to a lesser extent Morpeth. NCL airport is very easy to access for those north of the airport, unfortunately most people live south and east of the airport.

It offers one departure point for the people of the north east vs four points of departure for the train.

There are hourly direct rail links. No changing involved. Your car is also literally steps away from the train door. No faffing about with car park shuttles - which now take up to 15 minutes toe preach certain car parks at the airport. You can also drive it in just over three hours.

The market has spoken. If a 29 (sometimes 19 seat) seater can't make it work then I very much doubt anyone else can make it work. For most people in the real world cost is king.

You also can't put a price on finishing a meeting early in town and getting straight to the station and on the next train home. No hassle of getting to the airport. No waiting hours for the next flight home. With the train it's a 59minute wait worst case scenario. You can't put a price on that flexibility and convenience. Even better if you're in first where you can chill out in a lounge and once you're onboard you get some food (way better than the standard eastern airways cereal bar).

As always I hope to be proven wrong.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 20:27
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People living south of the river don't find it that easy. They can also connect more locally via Durham and Darlo and to a lesser extent Morpeth. NCL airport is very easy to access for those north of the airport, unfortunately most people live south and east of the airport
Has Morpeth been dragged south of the river when I wasn't looking?

You can also drive it in just over three hours.
Yes - you candrive it in just over three hours - but in the real world, how reliably??
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