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It would be simple to just to wait that 30mins for the BFS/brs plane to arrive however the problem is crew.
The crew will not work a further 3+hrs to Amsterdam and back and they may have already worked 10+ before as the crew may have worked say ncl-alc-ncl-brs
They may be close to being out of hrs or be timed out for tomorrow working causing further delay
It's easier for the company to use the spare crew and aircraft at which time they were using gatwick crew
It would be simple to just to wait that 30mins for the BFS/brs plane to arrive however the problem is crew.
The crew will not work a further 3+hrs to Amsterdam and back and they may have already worked 10+ before as the crew may have worked say ncl-alc-ncl-brs
They may be close to being out of hrs or be timed out for tomorrow working causing further delay
It's easier for the company to use the spare crew and aircraft at which time they were using gatwick crew
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Eastern Airways
Slight change to their schedules as of Monday this week, seeing a 18% increase in seat capacity on Aberdeen (though overall reduction of flights to 4/day) and an increase of 40% seat capacity on Stavanger. Main change is the replacement of a JS41 aircraft with the larger Embraer 145. New departure times given below:
Aberdeen
Mon-Thur 06:45 E145
Fri 07:20 E145
Mon 09:00 E145
Mon-Fri 10:00 JS41
Tue 14:15 JS41
Wed 14:15 E145
Fri 14:40 E145
Thu 16:05 E145
Mon, Tue & Fri 17:45 E145
Wed-Thur 18:30 E145
Sun 20:35 SB20
Stavanger
Wed-Thur 09:05 E145
Mon-Tue 10:00 E145
Both Birmingham & Cardiff schedules remain as they were (both 2 daily Mon-Fri, with 1 daily Cardiff on Sunday)
Cheers
Aberdeen
Mon-Thur 06:45 E145
Fri 07:20 E145
Mon 09:00 E145
Mon-Fri 10:00 JS41
Tue 14:15 JS41
Wed 14:15 E145
Fri 14:40 E145
Thu 16:05 E145
Mon, Tue & Fri 17:45 E145
Wed-Thur 18:30 E145
Sun 20:35 SB20
Stavanger
Wed-Thur 09:05 E145
Mon-Tue 10:00 E145
Both Birmingham & Cardiff schedules remain as they were (both 2 daily Mon-Fri, with 1 daily Cardiff on Sunday)
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Selected December Provisional Stats:
Gatwick 6154 +11%
Heathrow 38227 -4%
Aberdeen 1862 -1%
Belfast City 2865 +15%
Belfast Int 16460 +2%
Birmingham 408 -28%
Bristol 14973 +5%
Cardiff 797 No change
Exeter 2599 -10%
Southampton 6883 +8%
Copenhagen 1156
Paris CDG 11622 -4%
Dusseldorf 2931 -1%
Dublin 13713 +38%
Amsterdam 30287 +6%
Stavanger 1644 -7%
Dubai 17896 +20%
12 months rolling, 4.4m pax +1.4%
Gatwick 6154 +11%
Heathrow 38227 -4%
Aberdeen 1862 -1%
Belfast City 2865 +15%
Belfast Int 16460 +2%
Birmingham 408 -28%
Bristol 14973 +5%
Cardiff 797 No change
Exeter 2599 -10%
Southampton 6883 +8%
Copenhagen 1156
Paris CDG 11622 -4%
Dusseldorf 2931 -1%
Dublin 13713 +38%
Amsterdam 30287 +6%
Stavanger 1644 -7%
Dubai 17896 +20%
12 months rolling, 4.4m pax +1.4%
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Aer Lingus and the Emirates will be the ones to watch over next few months.
Emirates it would be nice if this time next year NCL were hitting 85% full per month.
Interesting over next few months will be eastern airways to Aberdeen and stavanger with them not using the bigger aircraft.
Also bmir when they start in march
Emirates it would be nice if this time next year NCL were hitting 85% full per month.
Interesting over next few months will be eastern airways to Aberdeen and stavanger with them not using the bigger aircraft.
Also bmir when they start in march
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Slightly better in fact - 72.5%
46 x 428 seats
12 x 354 seats
2 x 360 seats
Total 24656
Configs from the EKsource and aircraft from libhomeradar.
Pete
Slightly better in fact - 72.5%
46 x 428 seats
12 x 354 seats
2 x 360 seats
Total 24656
Configs from the EKsource and aircraft from libhomeradar.
Pete
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Hi OltonPete
I went for the 70% as the route is sold as a 427 seater 77W, although I believe there was a couple of 442 seat 77Ws used. For a market the size of NCL, I think EK will be satisfied, depending on how good business class is selling
I went for the 70% as the route is sold as a 427 seater 77W, although I believe there was a couple of 442 seat 77Ws used. For a market the size of NCL, I think EK will be satisfied, depending on how good business class is selling
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The EK Source shows all two class aircraft are now 42 / 386.
Also heard this from handlers at BHX.
Seems to be in the right direction and it is still early days as the 77W.
Pete
The EK Source shows all two class aircraft are now 42 / 386.
Also heard this from handlers at BHX.
Seems to be in the right direction and it is still early days as the 77W.
Pete
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EK 17000 pax each month?
Doing the figures for Emirates, it's impossible to have this as an average. obviously on different days there would be more pax less pax ect.. so take this as an average.
So, you have the Zero fuel weight of a 77W 237,000kgs or so
17000 pax / 28 days = 607 pax total each day inb/out
Half the figure.
303.
average passenger weight is what 80kgs?
80 x 303 = 24240kgs
also
50kgs of baggage avg per passenger
50 x 303 = 15100kgs
fuel
Avg fuel burn per hour is 8100kgs
an average of a 8 hour flight = 64800kgs
So, to add up, with the basics. Not including catering... Anything else but pax, fuel and aircraft weight.
we have a grand total of
341,140kgs.
Max take off weight of a 77W is 340,000 - 350,000kgs.
That uses at least 10000ft of runway. Newcastle has 7600ft.
So, you have the Zero fuel weight of a 77W 237,000kgs or so
17000 pax / 28 days = 607 pax total each day inb/out
Half the figure.
303.
average passenger weight is what 80kgs?
80 x 303 = 24240kgs
also
50kgs of baggage avg per passenger
50 x 303 = 15100kgs
fuel
Avg fuel burn per hour is 8100kgs
an average of a 8 hour flight = 64800kgs
So, to add up, with the basics. Not including catering... Anything else but pax, fuel and aircraft weight.
we have a grand total of
341,140kgs.
Max take off weight of a 77W is 340,000 - 350,000kgs.
That uses at least 10000ft of runway. Newcastle has 7600ft.
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That's some nice maths there, however one critical point you've missed is that they do actually do that every day... So something must have gone wrong somewhere.
When I flew on the first scheduled flight for the 75th in 2010, there were 419 passengers onboard and I don't remember crashing during takeoff.
Perhaps you should have used the OEW of the 77W which is 167800kg.
Either that or the 77W in fact has amazing takeoff performance, which it does. And the Baggage for the average pax is probably going to be about 30-35, accounting for families sharing cases, those travelling without baggage etc. Total allowance is Y - 37kg, J - 47kg.
When I flew on the first scheduled flight for the 75th in 2010, there were 419 passengers onboard and I don't remember crashing during takeoff.
Perhaps you should have used the OEW of the 77W which is 167800kg.
Either that or the 77W in fact has amazing takeoff performance, which it does. And the Baggage for the average pax is probably going to be about 30-35, accounting for families sharing cases, those travelling without baggage etc. Total allowance is Y - 37kg, J - 47kg.
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I am all for people supporting their local airport and discussing developments.
However this almost obsessive analysing of the monthly Newcastle -Dubai figures is becoming repetitive and tedious.
Emirates fly to Newcastle daily and I expect will continue to do so as long as the route is profitable, now move on!!
V.
However this almost obsessive analysing of the monthly Newcastle -Dubai figures is becoming repetitive and tedious.
Emirates fly to Newcastle daily and I expect will continue to do so as long as the route is profitable, now move on!!
V.
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If it helps, the CDG worked out as 83% 
Anyhow, is Newcastle such a low yielding place that easyJet only have 2 a/c active on a thursday (the 320 only done an evening BFS)? And et2 with no flights whatsoever?
Could the airport mgt lower fees during the winter to encourage operators to utilise their a/c better?
And any further news on free wifi within departures?
Anyhow, is Newcastle such a low yielding place that easyJet only have 2 a/c active on a thursday (the 320 only done an evening BFS)? And et2 with no flights whatsoever?
Could the airport mgt lower fees during the winter to encourage operators to utilise their a/c better?
And any further news on free wifi within departures?
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And when analysed it's analysed incorrectly. Using incorrect working. Midweek is quiet everywhere for every airline that have sun destinations not just jet2 and easyjet
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Oh my good god.
I see the 'EK Massive' have shown up again, blimey its been a while, what is it now, a few days!!
WHY oh WHY do some (you know who you are) go out of their way to say 'well, it has EXACTLY THIS AMOUNT OF PASSENGERS ON EVERY DAY!!
It doesn't go out with a full load every day, and we all know this. What is it with the 'worshipping' of this flight, and the constant mentioning of the 75th anniversary flight that had 419 people on? So, I say again, can this once good site/topic, get back to posting valuable news/info, not constant Emirates stats analysis, posting of 'rumours' and dreams?
Did you know that the 75th Anniversary flight had 419 people on it?!?.....
I see the 'EK Massive' have shown up again, blimey its been a while, what is it now, a few days!!
WHY oh WHY do some (you know who you are) go out of their way to say 'well, it has EXACTLY THIS AMOUNT OF PASSENGERS ON EVERY DAY!!
It doesn't go out with a full load every day, and we all know this. What is it with the 'worshipping' of this flight, and the constant mentioning of the 75th anniversary flight that had 419 people on? So, I say again, can this once good site/topic, get back to posting valuable news/info, not constant Emirates stats analysis, posting of 'rumours' and dreams?
Did you know that the 75th Anniversary flight had 419 people on it?!?.....