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Newcastle will not be a 5million pax airport forever , it will take years to grow and will always be behind the big airports but to say the airport will never see the A380 is just stupid , No one can predict anything acurate beyond the 5 year mark.
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NCL's website states:
Fire cover Category 8
MAN is Category 10
Website giving the breakdown of categories
NCL can, therefore, handle: length of aircraft between 49m and 61m long
Fire cover Category 8
MAN is Category 10
Website giving the breakdown of categories
NCL can, therefore, handle: length of aircraft between 49m and 61m long
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I think, honestly that the Airport's master plan is being extremely conservative, all being well I'd hope we could be heading towards 7-8 mil by 2021 and well over 10 mil by 2030. After all, we were heading for 7 mil in 2009 before the credit crunch.
If we truly are out of the recession and the upturn goes well... NCL will do well, just look at LBA for example, unless something drastic changes at NCL they will overtake us by 2015.
Regarding fire cover, 61m??? But the 77W is 65m so I'm confused as to how that works. Fire cover could be upgraded pretty quickly, I'm sure NCL has been commended on it's fire service and I'm under the impression Cat 10 probably wouldn't be that difficult to upgrade to as there is less to upgrade from 8 to 10 than there is to upgrade, for example from 6 to 8. And if MME can upgrade with not much notice to handle 777's and A330's...
And yeah, NCL, especially when it comes to EK, or maybe just EK in general is just completely unpredictable.
- When EK was first discussed, people were talking about 4 weekly A310, the A330 was discounted due to it's size.
- 2006, EK first rumoured, 4 weekly A330 talked about, daily deemed too much.
- EK announce the route, daily A330, everyone says it wont work.
- 2009, 777 first mentioned, load factors called abysmal, people saying they would pull the route, NCL cant handle 777's etc. At most people think the 77E/L could come but very doubtful.
- 75th Anniversary, proven the 77W can operate with a full load.
- When the daily 77W was announced, even I was shocked, because as EK was shown, there is enough slack for a 77L to operate the route, but no, they picked the larger. People still talk about the route being dropped.
- And now, here we are 1827 A330's and 473 777's later and people still don't have faith in the route, BUT EK themselves have talked about 2 daily in a few years and us enthusiasts are hoping for the A380 one day, just as some hoped for the 777 4 years ago.
Please... Let us dream, there's nothing wrong with it here on Professional Pilots Only Facts Network.
If we truly are out of the recession and the upturn goes well... NCL will do well, just look at LBA for example, unless something drastic changes at NCL they will overtake us by 2015.
Regarding fire cover, 61m??? But the 77W is 65m so I'm confused as to how that works. Fire cover could be upgraded pretty quickly, I'm sure NCL has been commended on it's fire service and I'm under the impression Cat 10 probably wouldn't be that difficult to upgrade to as there is less to upgrade from 8 to 10 than there is to upgrade, for example from 6 to 8. And if MME can upgrade with not much notice to handle 777's and A330's...
And yeah, NCL, especially when it comes to EK, or maybe just EK in general is just completely unpredictable.
- When EK was first discussed, people were talking about 4 weekly A310, the A330 was discounted due to it's size.
- 2006, EK first rumoured, 4 weekly A330 talked about, daily deemed too much.
- EK announce the route, daily A330, everyone says it wont work.
- 2009, 777 first mentioned, load factors called abysmal, people saying they would pull the route, NCL cant handle 777's etc. At most people think the 77E/L could come but very doubtful.
- 75th Anniversary, proven the 77W can operate with a full load.
- When the daily 77W was announced, even I was shocked, because as EK was shown, there is enough slack for a 77L to operate the route, but no, they picked the larger. People still talk about the route being dropped.
- And now, here we are 1827 A330's and 473 777's later and people still don't have faith in the route, BUT EK themselves have talked about 2 daily in a few years and us enthusiasts are hoping for the A380 one day, just as some hoped for the 777 4 years ago.
Please... Let us dream, there's nothing wrong with it here on Professional Pilots Only Facts Network.
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EK have a lot of aircraft to use and they see the big picture of feeding as much traffic as possible through Dubai
As for A380's I've seen EK 380's at Aukland and the catchment area there must be similar to Newcastle's - obviously more tourists and more Govt types but even so it's not impossible in a few years
probably it will come down to a tradeoff between one 380 or 2 x 777
As for A380's I've seen EK 380's at Aukland and the catchment area there must be similar to Newcastle's - obviously more tourists and more Govt types but even so it's not impossible in a few years
probably it will come down to a tradeoff between one 380 or 2 x 777
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The A380 wasn't designed for Newcastle and the airport isn't designed for it. I'd be surprised it ever flies regularly from the airport. EasyJet has released flights for late September until 25 October. It looks like Tues-Thursday Newcastle-Bristol is reduced to one late night flight per day (on A320) . That's not a convenient schedule for many people.
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course it wasnt designed for NCL , People are just stating that it wouldnt be impossible one day to make the airport A380 Ready no matter how stupid negative people think it is , nobody is saying this is possible in 5 years time but one day who knows
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This is comedy gold at its finest.
Thank you so much EK77WNCL and HH6702 for giving me such a good laugh on this dull day.
EK77WNCL, you say 10x A380 into Heathrow. Please can you tell me where the extra slots and terminal capacity is going to come from?
Clearly clueless as usual and dragging this once brilliant site and informative section into the gutter..
People used to enjoy reading this thread but now it seems to be have taken over by idiots clearly living in cloud cuckoo land and is no longer enjoyable to read.
Shame on you.
Thank you so much EK77WNCL and HH6702 for giving me such a good laugh on this dull day.
EK77WNCL, you say 10x A380 into Heathrow. Please can you tell me where the extra slots and terminal capacity is going to come from?
Clearly clueless as usual and dragging this once brilliant site and informative section into the gutter..
People used to enjoy reading this thread but now it seems to be have taken over by idiots clearly living in cloud cuckoo land and is no longer enjoyable to read.
Shame on you.
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Captain_Adams, at no point did I mention 10 daily A380's to Heathrow, I said 10 daily A380's to LONDON. Heathrow, Gatwick and likely Stansted before long.
Please also explain how I am dragging this rumour site down the gutter by discussing rumours.
I dont' understand why people get so uptight all the time, we are discussing what we would like to see, what we hope to see, what we THINK may have the slightest possibility of happening in the future.
Thank you.
Please also explain how I am dragging this rumour site down the gutter by discussing rumours.
I dont' understand why people get so uptight all the time, we are discussing what we would like to see, what we hope to see, what we THINK may have the slightest possibility of happening in the future.
Thank you.
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In this thread particularly recently I think the term Professional Pilots Rumour Network has been dragged way down more in keeping now with Spotters Rumour Network. I suspect that was the point being made. There is a separate forum for Spotters/non employed enthusiasts hopes and dreams and a place for you to vent your obvious interest.
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Well said CabinCrewe.
What was once a reputable source of information has become some sort of playground.
EK77WNCL, again I ask you where the extra slots and terminal capacity is going to magically appear at Heathrow.
Also you state that 'everyone' said the EK route wouldn't be a success. Who exactly said that?
What was once a reputable source of information has become some sort of playground.
EK77WNCL, again I ask you where the extra slots and terminal capacity is going to magically appear at Heathrow.
Also you state that 'everyone' said the EK route wouldn't be a success. Who exactly said that?
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Are people not allowed to have an opinion? Does the information have to be factual? I thought this was a rumour network, after all...
Back on topic, never say never, but I think we would be waiting a long, long time before we see a schedule flight bring an A380 into NCL. We simply cannot compete and the passenger numbers show that.
Back on topic, never say never, but I think we would be waiting a long, long time before we see a schedule flight bring an A380 into NCL. We simply cannot compete and the passenger numbers show that.
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There is a separate forum for Spotters/non employed enthusiasts hopes and dreams and a place for you to vent your obvious interest.
Newcastle doesn't see B747s nowadays but Wardair operated back in the day, markets come and go but Dubai will continue to grow I suspect. There's not THAT many seats on the A380, and with GLA looking like a candidate for a mid term up-guage then who knows. Emirates do have loads on order and they will need to place them somewhere. Perhaps we should revisit in a year or two, it's hardly imminent?
Anyhoo he's fifteen years old with his heart in the right place, give him the rest of his life to realise that dreams don't always pan out. The old BAA told us all once GLA would have twice daily United B767s to IAD/ORD alongside BA to JFK. That was a bubble that burst pretty quickly, killed by the coming of the cartels, er I mean alliances. Five years is further than most planners dare predict, which is annoying as fleet planning is for decades!
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CaptAdams, CabinCrewe and all, I agree entirely. The NCL thread has particularly become very spotterish. In the past few weeks, there's been loads of "anybody know why reg G-ZZZZ operated the Corfu last night" type posts, plus individual's fantasy futures. These latter are not rumours, nor discussions based around any statistical facts, just pure spotter fantasies.
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As the thread is, "airlines, airports and routes" I would have thought that all things NCL were able to be discussed.
Not that I have enjoyed the endless bickering over the last couple of days.
Not that I have enjoyed the endless bickering over the last couple of days.
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Steady on lads, this is going to become like DTV if you're not careful. Instead of who operated to Corfu last night it will be does anyone know who the Blue Astra belongs to as they might buy something in the shop and keep us open another week.
Merry Christmas to one and all in any event, I'm not usually festive but this year I make an exception.
Merry Christmas to one and all in any event, I'm not usually festive but this year I make an exception.