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Loads wise is NCL the worst performing of all the UK EK routes? Wonder how QR at EDI will affect it. Seems NCL has taken longest to get the EK 'millionth' passenger. Mmm. Where are the long haul pax going- still KL or BA or using MAN ?
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The November Dubai figure seems to represent about 50 extra pax per flight on Nov 12, it will be interesting to see how Dec. figure comes out, starting from a higher base number in 2012 (14,970). OCT/NOV were the two worst months in 2012.
Dublin was up 20%. Does anyone know what sort of loads the new EIR flights are carrying?
Dublin was up 20%. Does anyone know what sort of loads the new EIR flights are carrying?
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Loads wise is NCL the worst performing of all the UK EK routes? Wonder how QR at EDI will affect it. Seems NCL has taken longest to get the EK 'millionth' passenger. Mmm. Where are the long haul pax going- still KL or BA or using MAN ?
Newcastle is the smallest airport with the smallest catchment area of any UK EK destination, so hardly surprising.
DXB though is getting more pax than CDG, DUB or SOU and is almost as popular as BRS or Belfast and continues to grow. And we haven't mentioned cargo.
The service has come a long way in a short time.
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Good increase in pax 24% over 2012
Yes it will be nice to see what December figures bring but I'm more interested in what next years brings lets hope we are still getting double figure increases!
Don't think that Qatar service from edb will effect NCL that much to be honest.
Yes it will be nice to see what December figures bring but I'm more interested in what next years brings lets hope we are still getting double figure increases!
Don't think that Qatar service from edb will effect NCL that much to be honest.
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I think that Dubai will continue go from strength to strength from everywhere, not only because of the connections that they offer from every corner of the planet (basically) but also because O&D is increasing drastically, and once again with Expo 2020 etc I will not be surprised if by then London has 10+ daily A380's and a few 777's thrown in to LHR/LGW/STN, MAN will go 4 daily with 2/3 A380's, BHX will get an A380 and maybe 3 daily, GLA will get an A380 and hopefully NCL will get 2 daily, DUB will get an A380 and 2/3 daily and I'm confident we'll see EDI, CWL and maybe BFS thrown in there too. We have the potential to get an A380 but I don't think the airport will invest in the necessary terminal upgrades.
December should be good, Christmas traffic, Christmas getaways, the world#d largest fireworks display in Dubai for new year may add 10-20 passengers. Every little helps. No flight on Christmas day again though.
December should be good, Christmas traffic, Christmas getaways, the world#d largest fireworks display in Dubai for new year may add 10-20 passengers. Every little helps. No flight on Christmas day again though.
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EK77WNCL - I really admire your positivity but speaking as a BHX local I can tell you that our flights to DXB are now (after a dip last year when MAN saw so much Middle East expansion) between 80-90% LF monthly and there is not even a sniff of the A380 or a third daily service. I think you have a long way to go before there is even a second daily service at NCL let alone an A380. GLA was rumoured by EK themselves for the A380 but perhaps the new QR ops at EDI have put paid to that for now.
Remember it's how much people are paying to fly, how full the front end is and how much cargo carried that all help route profitability, not simply the numbers of pax carried.
Remember it's how much people are paying to fly, how full the front end is and how much cargo carried that all help route profitability, not simply the numbers of pax carried.
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Upgrading of a flight to bigger equipment is more that just a case of 'oh they had a good month or 2, lets put an A380 on that route'. Take into consideration operating costs, fuel, tax, maintainence, crew costs (A380s carry more crew) the list goes on. Putting an A380 into an Airport of NCLs size (by modern standards, rather small) would be nothing short of stupidity by EK. Luckily, their CEO has good brains, wits and knowledge, and isn't a 'dreamer'.
NCL is a 5 million pax a year airport, with 1 long haul flight, with a current load factor (after 6 years of operation i think it is now) of 63/4%. Upgrading the airport to handle an A380, which would have an even smaller LF, and would be payload restricted anyway (as NCL aren't gonna extend the runway for 1 airline) would be a disaster. I think a few need to stop 'dreaming' of seeing an A380 land at NCL, it will likely never happen. If you want to see one, head down the road to MAN, or down to LHR where there are a load of them!
So as it stands, NCL does not have A380 potential, and likely will never have it, thats just life. London Airports take priority, then the likes of MAN etc. NCL is way down in the pecking order. Be grateful it receives a daily 777!
NCL is a 5 million pax a year airport, with 1 long haul flight, with a current load factor (after 6 years of operation i think it is now) of 63/4%. Upgrading the airport to handle an A380, which would have an even smaller LF, and would be payload restricted anyway (as NCL aren't gonna extend the runway for 1 airline) would be a disaster. I think a few need to stop 'dreaming' of seeing an A380 land at NCL, it will likely never happen. If you want to see one, head down the road to MAN, or down to LHR where there are a load of them!
So as it stands, NCL does not have A380 potential, and likely will never have it, thats just life. London Airports take priority, then the likes of MAN etc. NCL is way down in the pecking order. Be grateful it receives a daily 777!
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Now now Boris, i think everyone appreciates that the only likely chance of seeing an A380 at NCL would be a last resort diversion. EK and the airport themselves understand the market (i hope!) and the 777 allows the route to continue with some modest growth, its well beyond an A330 route now.
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GayFriendly/Boris1,
To reiterate I was quoting a 2013-2020 timeframe.
NCL does have A380 potential as an airport (it can handle one) but in terms of pax/cargo demand it would be stupid. Too much pax capacity, not enough cargo capacity.
To reiterate I was quoting a 2013-2020 timeframe.
NCL does have A380 potential as an airport (it can handle one) but in terms of pax/cargo demand it would be stupid. Too much pax capacity, not enough cargo capacity.
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The expansion includes a new Aer Lingus Regional service to Newcastle, which will operate four times per week, the airline’s Manchester service will increase from two to three times daily, the Bristol services will go double daily and there will also be increased flights to Rennes in France. These services will be operated by a new generation ATR72 aircraft which Aer Lingus Regional will take delivery of in time for Summer 2014.
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NCL Can not handle the A380, even as a diversion. The airport is the incorrect fire category for A380 ops, does not have the sufficient equipment, IE Airstairs, Fire engine ladder platforms etc, big enough to take an A380, separation distances between terminal and aircraft, or gate facilities (IE Gates big enough, sufficient amount of Jetbridges etc) to take an A380.
I would love for you to share where you get your information regarding 'NCL can take an A380' as the above things that i have mentioned are only a fraction of the reasons why NCL can not take an A380.
NCL Can not handle the A380, even as a diversion. The airport is the incorrect fire category for A380 ops, does not have the sufficient equipment, IE Airstairs, Fire engine ladder platforms etc, big enough to take an A380, separation distances between terminal and aircraft, or gate facilities (IE Gates big enough, sufficient amount of Jetbridges etc) to take an A380.
I would love for you to share where you get your information regarding 'NCL can take an A380' as the above things that i have mentioned are only a fraction of the reasons why NCL can not take an A380.
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Don't know much but guess fire cat.is not a problem..as they can easily achieve that with the equipment they have? Also steps etc no problem...I know a couple of AN124 s have been in so really not really much problem on taxiways,parking etc.
Now demand....that's a different matter,and speaking from DTVs point of view where we can't Evan fill a jetstream, I just wish we could have that discussion!
Now demand....that's a different matter,and speaking from DTVs point of view where we can't Evan fill a jetstream, I just wish we could have that discussion!
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NCL's website states:
Fire cover Category 8
MAN is Category 10
Website giving the breakdown of categories
NCL can, therefore, handle: length of aircraft between 49m and 61m long
Fire cover Category 8
MAN is Category 10
Website giving the breakdown of categories
NCL can, therefore, handle: length of aircraft between 49m and 61m long
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OMG..... How many posts ?????
This is What i think and im sure that EK77WNCL probs thinks the same as me??
7 YEARS AGO - people stated that EK would not work daily from NCL
As of DEC 2013 we STILL have EK daily! FACT!!
Around 5 years ago People have said NCL would never be able to cope with 777 daily?
As of DEC 2013 we NOW have daily 777's ops!
Loads now improving well due to the aircraft type and product!
What WILL happen next
EK themselves have stated with the loads and cargo improving all the time we would expect to see a second daily service into NCL by late 2015 early 2016!
In around 25 years time YES I said 25 !!
The airport may need to expand the runway and taxiways to provide areas for different types of aircraft and this could include aircraft like the A380
One day NCL may see the A380 however I don't think I will be seeing the aircraft land in my life hopefully my children may get to see that.
Think what we need to be thinking is NEVER say it will NEVER happen.
We can always hope....
We are all HOPING that the American Airlines are watching EK growth at NCL and we can hope that if Dubai can work then the link to the USA can work just as well...
Newcastle one day will be the dreams we have today, however it will be enjoyed by our children not us in the years to come
This is What i think and im sure that EK77WNCL probs thinks the same as me??
7 YEARS AGO - people stated that EK would not work daily from NCL
As of DEC 2013 we STILL have EK daily! FACT!!
Around 5 years ago People have said NCL would never be able to cope with 777 daily?
As of DEC 2013 we NOW have daily 777's ops!
Loads now improving well due to the aircraft type and product!
What WILL happen next
EK themselves have stated with the loads and cargo improving all the time we would expect to see a second daily service into NCL by late 2015 early 2016!
In around 25 years time YES I said 25 !!
The airport may need to expand the runway and taxiways to provide areas for different types of aircraft and this could include aircraft like the A380
One day NCL may see the A380 however I don't think I will be seeing the aircraft land in my life hopefully my children may get to see that.
Think what we need to be thinking is NEVER say it will NEVER happen.
We can always hope....
We are all HOPING that the American Airlines are watching EK growth at NCL and we can hope that if Dubai can work then the link to the USA can work just as well...
Newcastle one day will be the dreams we have today, however it will be enjoyed by our children not us in the years to come