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Didnt realise that BMIR were flying twice daily from LBA to BRU, and also three times daily from EDI to BRU in addition to the forthcoming twice daily EDI Brussels/Flybe service. Despite the competition they must think they can make more money on this route than NCL hence the move of the Q400 to EDI.
Perhaps there is a chance BMIR could take on this route from NCL(no competition plenty passengers for their aircraft size.)
If not its a loss of another 40/50,000 ish passengers per year.
Perhaps there is a chance BMIR could take on this route from NCL(no competition plenty passengers for their aircraft size.)
If not its a loss of another 40/50,000 ish passengers per year.
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The airport can ill afford to lose important routes like Brussels, and up to 50,000 pax a year. I hope they are working to find another operator for the route or even trying to persuade LH to introduce Frankfurt as the main link for Star Alliance transfers.
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Brussels from DTV ?
Tried once before..but seeing as newcastle has lost the service..any mileage in contacting Eastern again >? maybe a code share with SN using the EMB aircraft for a twice a day service? Peel need to contact and up the ante??? if there are circa 5K passengers a month surely profits are there to be made...If newcastle are sleeping now is the time to strike????
Newcastle "Sleeping"? - Can't see DTV being any more successful on this route. Maybe it will be just a matter of time before Brussels is re-instated - although Frankfurt with Lufthansa would give better Star Alliance connections.
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Newcastle "Sleeping"? - Can't see DTV being any more successful on this route. Maybe it will be just a matter of time before Brussels is re-instated - although Frankfurt with Lufthansa would give better Star Alliance connections.
In the greater scheme then unfortunately for those down at DTV, as regards passenger services then they are the weak link, and their chance of achieving anything that adds to the aggregate resource of the "whole" North east region appears even less than remote.
As to whether DTV can promote & survive on non pax activities is not for this forum, though there remain clear opportunities for freight, maintenance, & other aviation related opportunities that NCL is never going to be able to compete.
As to a FRA service then unfortunately there is a great deal of logic that if a long serving NCL - BRU service, how many years 20+?? has gone into demise, then why should any carrier wish to invest in NCL - FRA which with zero history suggests it's a gamble.
In addition for those that forget there have been German Loco's at NCL in the past offering various destinations albeit not FRA, so what logic is that a LH full fare NCL-FRA would work ?
In reality the no. of available pax. to NCL is unlikely to exceed those 5M plus highs of the mid 2000's, the money isn't there, and those that came from outside the region now have a greater choice than ever on their own doorsteps.
As such you now have the situation that one carriers gain is another's loss. Put in LH with global connections from FRA & you simply put more pressure ion the remaining legacy carriers, a "catch 22" situation.
I will finish this on a poignant note, in clearing out some old files I have come across a BA pocket NCL - LHR timetable for Mar - Oct 1988 which offered SEVEN flights from NCL on weekdays ( FOUR on weekends), roll forward 25 years & there are barely half this no. (and also reduced aircraft capacity) & it's not all down to slots ! Hmmmmm
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Eastern seem to be operating 3 flights to Aberdeen tonight at T3586 1700, T3588 1715, and T34038 1730. Anyone know why this is.
Plus 3 inward flights from the Ukraine tomorrow morning for the soccer match.
Plus 3 inward flights from the Ukraine tomorrow morning for the soccer match.
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T3586 and T3588 are flight numbers for T3's MME to ABZ service.
MME's website showing that the inbound flights have been diverted to NCL and the departures back to ABZ are now operating from NCL.
Can only guess the MME is closed to weather.
MME's website showing that the inbound flights have been diverted to NCL and the departures back to ABZ are now operating from NCL.
Can only guess the MME is closed to weather.
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NCL based BE aircraft for S13
BE will reduce the number of aircraft based at NCL to just 1 for the S13 season.
This is down from the 3 DH4 (2 x BE & 1 x SN)aircraft that have been based at NCL for the winter.
The single based aircraft will mostly be used to operate BE's LGW services.
BE's flight to SOU will be operated 3 x daily by a SOU based DH4 from the start of S13
This is down from the 3 DH4 (2 x BE & 1 x SN)aircraft that have been based at NCL for the winter.
The single based aircraft will mostly be used to operate BE's LGW services.
BE's flight to SOU will be operated 3 x daily by a SOU based DH4 from the start of S13
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Agree with most of your post but the LHR is currently 6 on weekdays 5/6 on Sats and 5 on Suns. From Summer I think Sats goes down to 4. However there are some part months when 1 rotation is dropped as has been the case for some time now. So its not quite reduced by half
I can remember the 7 weekday frequency in the past. Was it 737-200s/757s then?
On a seperate point having spoken to several people recently who live in the Newcastle/Durham area, it seems that according to them its much cheaper to fly from other airports to destinations available from NCL even when taking into account travel to those airports and parking.
The examples quoted included Paris, much cheaper from LBA, Limoges much cheaper from MAN and TFS much cheaper again from LBA.
All the people seemed to think it was due to higher fees at NCL?
I realise of course the flights from NCL are longer but that shoud not account for example more than double the fare from NCL to Limoges when compares to the same journey from MAN.
I have even spoken to people who fly to Dubai travelling to MAN rather than there closest airport NCL.
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Agree with most of your post but the LHR is currently 6 on weekdays 5/6 on Sats and 5 on Suns. From Summer I think Sats goes down to 4. However there are some part months when 1 rotation is dropped as has been the case for some time now. So its not quite reduced by half
I can remember the 7 weekday frequency in the past. Was it 737-200s/757s then?
On a seperate point having spoken to several people recently who live in the Newcastle/Durham area, it seems that according to them its much cheaper to fly from other airports to destinations available from NCL even when taking into account travel to those airports and parking.
The examples quoted included Paris, much cheaper from LBA, Limoges much cheaper from MAN and TFS much cheaper again from LBA.
All the people seemed to think it was due to higher fees at NCL?
I realise of course the flights from NCL are longer but that shoud not account for example more than double the fare from NCL to Limoges when compares to the same journey from MAN.
I have even spoken to people who fly to Dubai travelling to MAN rather than there closest airport NCL.
Not Good!
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BEE/ BRUSSELS etc.
It shows how tough it is to retain routes during the current climate....
Durham Tees are even clearing the snow using volunteers from what you read - I don't think this fills operators (or insurers) with confidence.
How does that work?
I don't know - but if Newcastle can't retain I think it's more about operators preference.
They've stayed open and available constantly in recent weeks.. I've flown in a few times whilst DTV has closed after a few flakes. .... why would Flybe or any BRU operator take them seriously? What's the score with snow clearance done by volunteers etc. What if there's an injury or damage? Where do they stand.. Frighten the life out of most commercial organisations?
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Durham Tees are even clearing the snow using volunteers from what you read - I don't think this fills operators (or insurers) with confidence.
How does that work?
I don't know - but if Newcastle can't retain I think it's more about operators preference.
They've stayed open and available constantly in recent weeks.. I've flown in a few times whilst DTV has closed after a few flakes. .... why would Flybe or any BRU operator take them seriously? What's the score with snow clearance done by volunteers etc. What if there's an injury or damage? Where do they stand.. Frighten the life out of most commercial organisations?
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More bad news.
Sunday, Tues and Wed dropped. Now only opperates Sats for summer 2013.
Easyjet flights must be having an effect.
Sunday, Tues and Wed dropped. Now only opperates Sats for summer 2013.
Easyjet flights must be having an effect.
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The single based aircraft will mostly be used to operate BE's LGW services.
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JANUARY STATISTICS
AMSTERDAM.......24.201 (+ 17%) plus EZY
DUBAI............... 15,602 (+9%) second consecutive 9% increase
MALTA................ 2501 (+ 8%)
PRAGUE............... 434 (+ 8%)
KRAKOW.............. 382 (+ 44%)
FARO.................. 2932 (+5%)
Increases were also seen on Alicante and Malaga.
PARIS..................9975 (- 25%) minus EZY
CORK...................1101 (-18%)
DUBLIN.................9137 (-10%)
BARCELONA...........3685 ( -15%)
STAVANGER..........1463 (-13%)
DUSSELDORF.........2404 (-3%)
ABERDEEN.............2227 (+24%) more frequencies, larger aircraft
EXETER.................1809 (+34%)
SOUTHAMPTON.......5462 (+3%)
HEATHROW...........33,462 (-13%) a lot of cancelled flights
GATWICK................5158 (-14%)
BIRMINGHAM............ 583 (-44%)
ISLE OF MAN............ 98 (43%)
DUBAI............... 15,602 (+9%) second consecutive 9% increase
MALTA................ 2501 (+ 8%)
PRAGUE............... 434 (+ 8%)
KRAKOW.............. 382 (+ 44%)
FARO.................. 2932 (+5%)
Increases were also seen on Alicante and Malaga.
PARIS..................9975 (- 25%) minus EZY
CORK...................1101 (-18%)
DUBLIN.................9137 (-10%)
BARCELONA...........3685 ( -15%)
STAVANGER..........1463 (-13%)
DUSSELDORF.........2404 (-3%)
ABERDEEN.............2227 (+24%) more frequencies, larger aircraft
EXETER.................1809 (+34%)
SOUTHAMPTON.......5462 (+3%)
HEATHROW...........33,462 (-13%) a lot of cancelled flights
GATWICK................5158 (-14%)
BIRMINGHAM............ 583 (-44%)
ISLE OF MAN............ 98 (43%)
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