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Can't see EZY adding 9 new routes out of MAN in one fell swoop - it's just not their style. Assuming the current 3 new rumoured routes start Oct / Nov that surely just means keeping 3 aircraft on base for the winter as some of the summer only routes end rather than the arrival of another based aircraft? Personally, I wouldn't expect a/c no.4 to arrive until summer 2010 at the earliest, roughly the same time a/c no.10 arrives at LPL...
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Emirates x3
EK to ad a third daily service from Manchester this October on a 777-300 effective 25th October. 0820z Departure.
Germanwings new 5 x week to CGN from 25th October (A319)
GSM based 737-800 operating 4 x weekly charters during winter.
Libyan upto 5 per week from Winter 09.
Cimber Air new daily CPH effective 25th October 2009 (B737-700)
Are things finally turning round at Manchester? The extra EK can only pave the way for the A380 sometime soon??????
Germanwings new 5 x week to CGN from 25th October (A319)
GSM based 737-800 operating 4 x weekly charters during winter.
Libyan upto 5 per week from Winter 09.
Cimber Air new daily CPH effective 25th October 2009 (B737-700)
Are things finally turning round at Manchester? The extra EK can only pave the way for the A380 sometime soon??????
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One of the biggest expansions at the airport for some time - and aren't we in a recession?!
Will offset the loss of charter traffic I suppose...
Fantastic news - the revolution has begun folks and you heard it here first!
Will offset the loss of charter traffic I suppose...
Fantastic news - the revolution has begun folks and you heard it here first!
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Surely more a case of typical MAN - why screw SAS on CPH with EZY when you can screw 'em twice over by bringing in Cimber Air on the route too!!! Also, the German Wingsto CGN is only replacing a service being dropped by another carrier and given GSM's past record I wouldn't get over excited by the possibility of a whole four flights a week by a '738. How many IT aircraft has MAN lost this summer through consolidation???
True, some credit goes to EK for building on their existing service but at what cost? What other carriers are going to try and provide services to the far east now?
True, some credit goes to EK for building on their existing service but at what cost? What other carriers are going to try and provide services to the far east now?
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Surely more a case of typical MAN - why screw SAS on CPH with EZY when you can screw 'em twice over by bringing in Cimber Air on the route too!!! Also, the German Wingsto CGN is only replacing a service being dropped by another carrier and given GSM's past record I wouldn't get over excited by the possibility of a whole four flights a week by a '738. How many IT aircraft has MAN lost this summer through consolidation???
True, some credit goes to EK for building on their existing service but at what cost? What other carriers are going to try and provide services to the far east now?
True, some credit goes to EK for building on their existing service but at what cost? What other carriers are going to try and provide services to the far east now?
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Andy H52 / All,
MAN's hierarchy would be very foolish to start playing favourites on CPH or any other route. I suspect that they have learned their lesson from the BA legacy that protecting the interests of one airline customer over another can prove very detrimental in the long run. If three airlines want to slug it out on MAN-CPH, the airport company is best served by standing back and letting the market decide the winner(s), whilst showing no favouritism to any one player.
However, the situation on the MAN-CPH route is not so clear cut. From the days when there were five daily flights on the route (4 by SAS and 1 by Maersk/Sterling), services have been quietly whittled down to just two SAS departures per day. In some respects, whilst 5x daily flights certainly represented overcapacity, the reduction to just two departures daily invites competition. That is what is now set to happen, so if SAS do consider themselves to be "screwed over" then Manchester Airport is hardly to be blamed!
That said, there is a big stretch from booking slots for a route under consideration (as Cimber Air appear to have done) to actually announcing, marketing and launching a new scheduled service. On Cimber Air's website there is no mention of any forthcoming service to MAN, and the city does not feature on its dropdown list of destinations. Now that EasyJet has shown its hand, it is quite likely that Cimber Air will withdraw from the fray. We will see. But you may recall a similar situation when FlyBe and BMIBaby both announced MAN-AMS schedules within afew days of each other. We all know that the proposed FlyBe service was quietly shelved.
As has been pointed out, the three new EasyJet routes should keep aircraft no.3 occupied this Winter after the Summer seasonals have ended. And as CPH and MUC do not have the look of seasonal operations (RAK I'm not so sure?), they will go some way to filling the programme for a fourth based unit for Summer 2010. Any outcome resulting in more than the envisaged 10/5 aircraft at LPL/MAN in the short-term would be a major (if welcome) surprise, as Stelios has been in conflict with his board at EZY to curb what he perceives to have been a reckless rate of expansion by the company. There is no evidence to suggest that EZY is about to cannibalize its LPL operation in favour of MAN (or vice-versa) either. Indeed, I believe there is still an agreement in place with LPL to ensure a significant presence there. Perhaps someone can elaborate if any of the details of such agreement are in the public domain.
Whatever happens, the last two weeks have seen the first raft of positive news at MAN for some considerable time. The third daily Emirates B773 is particularly encouraging (especially considering Singapore Airlines' apparent lack of commitment at MAN). The GermanWings service is very welcome also (pity about the two month gap between TUI's exit and GWI's launch). Interestingly, GermanWings also appears to offer the facility to interline over CGN which is very welcome from a no-frills operation and could open up some very interesting city-pairs for MAN customers. Finally, let's not neglect to acknowledge frequency increases by Lufthansa on MAN-HAM (partially offsetting the hole left by the exit of Air Berlin), and by Ryanair to certain of its existing destinations.
The recession/downturn is far from over yet, and there will still be many more disappointments ahead. The recent downgrade of MAG's debt outlook by the Standard & Poor's rating agency is far from encouraging. The reduction in dual-ops runway hours is a retrograde step. But we seem to have moved from an environment of "lose one lose another" to "lose one gain one". I'll take that for now! We are even starting to see people posting positive passenger experiences on this thread, so the mood is indeed lightening as the 'work in progress' hoardings are gradually removed from the terminals.
We might as well make hay and smile briefly before the next leg of the downturn bites!
Regards to all. SHED.
MAN's hierarchy would be very foolish to start playing favourites on CPH or any other route. I suspect that they have learned their lesson from the BA legacy that protecting the interests of one airline customer over another can prove very detrimental in the long run. If three airlines want to slug it out on MAN-CPH, the airport company is best served by standing back and letting the market decide the winner(s), whilst showing no favouritism to any one player.
However, the situation on the MAN-CPH route is not so clear cut. From the days when there were five daily flights on the route (4 by SAS and 1 by Maersk/Sterling), services have been quietly whittled down to just two SAS departures per day. In some respects, whilst 5x daily flights certainly represented overcapacity, the reduction to just two departures daily invites competition. That is what is now set to happen, so if SAS do consider themselves to be "screwed over" then Manchester Airport is hardly to be blamed!
That said, there is a big stretch from booking slots for a route under consideration (as Cimber Air appear to have done) to actually announcing, marketing and launching a new scheduled service. On Cimber Air's website there is no mention of any forthcoming service to MAN, and the city does not feature on its dropdown list of destinations. Now that EasyJet has shown its hand, it is quite likely that Cimber Air will withdraw from the fray. We will see. But you may recall a similar situation when FlyBe and BMIBaby both announced MAN-AMS schedules within afew days of each other. We all know that the proposed FlyBe service was quietly shelved.
As has been pointed out, the three new EasyJet routes should keep aircraft no.3 occupied this Winter after the Summer seasonals have ended. And as CPH and MUC do not have the look of seasonal operations (RAK I'm not so sure?), they will go some way to filling the programme for a fourth based unit for Summer 2010. Any outcome resulting in more than the envisaged 10/5 aircraft at LPL/MAN in the short-term would be a major (if welcome) surprise, as Stelios has been in conflict with his board at EZY to curb what he perceives to have been a reckless rate of expansion by the company. There is no evidence to suggest that EZY is about to cannibalize its LPL operation in favour of MAN (or vice-versa) either. Indeed, I believe there is still an agreement in place with LPL to ensure a significant presence there. Perhaps someone can elaborate if any of the details of such agreement are in the public domain.
Whatever happens, the last two weeks have seen the first raft of positive news at MAN for some considerable time. The third daily Emirates B773 is particularly encouraging (especially considering Singapore Airlines' apparent lack of commitment at MAN). The GermanWings service is very welcome also (pity about the two month gap between TUI's exit and GWI's launch). Interestingly, GermanWings also appears to offer the facility to interline over CGN which is very welcome from a no-frills operation and could open up some very interesting city-pairs for MAN customers. Finally, let's not neglect to acknowledge frequency increases by Lufthansa on MAN-HAM (partially offsetting the hole left by the exit of Air Berlin), and by Ryanair to certain of its existing destinations.
The recession/downturn is far from over yet, and there will still be many more disappointments ahead. The recent downgrade of MAG's debt outlook by the Standard & Poor's rating agency is far from encouraging. The reduction in dual-ops runway hours is a retrograde step. But we seem to have moved from an environment of "lose one lose another" to "lose one gain one". I'll take that for now! We are even starting to see people posting positive passenger experiences on this thread, so the mood is indeed lightening as the 'work in progress' hoardings are gradually removed from the terminals.
We might as well make hay and smile briefly before the next leg of the downturn bites!
Regards to all. SHED.
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Thanks, Ian.
On a different topic, there is a very interesting discussion on the BIRMINGHAM thread about the detrimental consequences of fitting coin-slots to baggage trolleys. MAG management please READ AND TAKE NOTE before the damage becomes irreversible.
On a different topic, there is a very interesting discussion on the BIRMINGHAM thread about the detrimental consequences of fitting coin-slots to baggage trolleys. MAG management please READ AND TAKE NOTE before the damage becomes irreversible.
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I managed to speak to my contact in Emirates today and he says they have secured slots at Manchester for a 3rd Daily service from Manchester to Dubai and they have an aspiration to have the service in place in 6 to 12 Months time.
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Wouldn't a third flight not be better for the winter instead of the summer? I think the European winter is the main holiday season in Dubai and places like Maldives, Australia or South Africa.
If the third flight comes to MAN is this the end of a possible third flight to BHX or could the region handle 6 flights per day to DXB?
If the third flight comes to MAN is this the end of a possible third flight to BHX or could the region handle 6 flights per day to DXB?
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Chiglet,
BA did indeed operate a MAN-CPH service for many years initially using the BAC 1-11 aircraft and in competition with Aer Lingus (BAC 1-11 200 Series) and SAS using various models of the DC9.
BA did indeed operate a MAN-CPH service for many years initially using the BAC 1-11 aircraft and in competition with Aer Lingus (BAC 1-11 200 Series) and SAS using various models of the DC9.