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If PWK is meant to mean PIK, then its runway isn't longer than those at MAN, as far as I'm aware. Other airports like DSA, MSE, and EMA all have reasonable length runways. But it's not usually down to runway length in order for the A380 to be received. A lot more factors are involved.
Plus PIK is further flying from LHR if the aircraft is inbound to LHR from the South or South East.
Plus PIK is further flying from LHR if the aircraft is inbound to LHR from the South or South East.
just do us all a favour and give it a rest!
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Air Europa are going to launch twice daily flights to LGW from MAD in May with the E195.
Would MAN not have been better? They have a great size aircraft for the route and I am sure there would be demand there but once again MAN is overlooked for LON.
Would MAN not have been better? They have a great size aircraft for the route and I am sure there would be demand there but once again MAN is overlooked for LON.
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I wouldn't view AEA starting LGW-MAD as such a negative for Manchester. Lets be honest: in the current economic climate it was really rather unlikely that they'd have done MAN anyway regardless of any plans that they might have elsewhere.
As I see it, if they can make a decent go of the LGW-MAD then this ought really play into Manchester's favour as I'd view it a pretty clear cut choice as to what ought to be the destination for a second route into the UK from MAD once the Gatwick is running well.
As I see it, if they can make a decent go of the LGW-MAD then this ought really play into Manchester's favour as I'd view it a pretty clear cut choice as to what ought to be the destination for a second route into the UK from MAD once the Gatwick is running well.
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Quite right, globetrotter79. And by launching LGW-MAD Air Europa is clearly demonstrating that it is not afraid to "go up against" competing services (in this case from the London area). Therefore - further down the line - I do not see why the existence of MAD flights from LPL would put them off serving MAN. The catchment areas of LPL and MAN have a degree of overlap both geographically and economically, but they are far from identical. There is no reason why services to a prominent EC capital cannot succeed from both.
Although the plan may be more about providing feeder traffic to South America services than point-to-point Madrid traffic - in which case the expat communities from London are rather stronger than Manchester.
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Shed...
'There is no reason why services to a prominent EC capital cannot succeed from both.'
Other than it has never succeeded up until this point (2009)
from MAN or we would have a service wouldnt we........please follow this
logic...you are boring the pants off with this innane
silly season 'Im important and what I say is' kind of attitude.
Still .........the lighter nights are coming and they may let you out.
MM
'There is no reason why services to a prominent EC capital cannot succeed from both.'
Other than it has never succeeded up until this point (2009)
from MAN or we would have a service wouldnt we........please follow this
logic...you are boring the pants off with this innane
silly season 'Im important and what I say is' kind of attitude.
Still .........the lighter nights are coming and they may let you out.
MM
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Air Europa currently codeshare on Air Comet's LGW-MAD so they are already established in the market and will now be flying these passengers themselves rather than sending them on another airline
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Perhaps Air Europa did not want to go up against the easyJet and Ryanair flights that operate from Liverpool to Madrid.
I do understand that MAN is not the attraction that LON is but Oneworld have EU-South America pretty much covered.
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Mickyman,
I am not going to be drawn into an "inane" name-calling exchange. You can play that game all by yourself if you would like to.
However, I invite you to take up your central argument with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines who will in the near future launch a scheduled service between LPL and AMS. These flights will operate at timings which offer parallel services between MAN and AMS by the same company. Why would they do this if they could not envisage the successful and profitable operation of services from both airports? Like it or not - and we understand that you don't - the catchment areas of MAN and LPL are not the same despite the element of overlap. It is entirely reasonable to run scheduled flights from both cities to major EC gateways.
I am sorry if my attitude is not to your liking, but I have to admit I don't think much of yours either. If you wish to debate relevant issues on a board such as this you will find that respect for other contributors is always appreciated, regardless of different opinions expressed on the issue-du-jour.
SHED.
I am not going to be drawn into an "inane" name-calling exchange. You can play that game all by yourself if you would like to.
However, I invite you to take up your central argument with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines who will in the near future launch a scheduled service between LPL and AMS. These flights will operate at timings which offer parallel services between MAN and AMS by the same company. Why would they do this if they could not envisage the successful and profitable operation of services from both airports? Like it or not - and we understand that you don't - the catchment areas of MAN and LPL are not the same despite the element of overlap. It is entirely reasonable to run scheduled flights from both cities to major EC gateways.
I am sorry if my attitude is not to your liking, but I have to admit I don't think much of yours either. If you wish to debate relevant issues on a board such as this you will find that respect for other contributors is always appreciated, regardless of different opinions expressed on the issue-du-jour.
SHED.
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The problem with comparing what KLM does with Easy is that they are after different groups of passengers. KLM is looking to feed its waves of longhaul departures whereas Easy relies solely on point-to-point traffic. This is why KLM is rarely competitive with Easys lowest fares. They don't want to sell seats at £5 plus tax whereas Easy relies on volume to sell all the ancillaries that help the flight to at least break even. KLM will, however, sell at less for a LPL-AMS-HKG through flight than for a AMS-HKG single sector if the AMS-HKG sector needs support. It's why they practise what's called Origin and Destination (O&D) Revenue Management. It allows them to weigh up the probability of selling a seat from LPL - AMS - HKG/JFK/NRT/LAX etc etc etc and attach a revenue amount to it against the probability of selling a LPL-AMS sector as a stand alone. Easy is simply weighing the probability of selling a seat in the next highest/lowest revenue class against where they are currently selling.
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TartinTon,
I agree completely with your points. However, my posting was directly comparing the new KLM service (wef March 2009) from Liverpool with the similar KLM service from Manchester to illustrate a specific point. Namely, that if the two airports had identical catchment areas it would be pointless to operate parallel flights from the two. My contention is that it makes sense to do so because the airports' catchment areas differ despite the element of overlap. I accept your points that EZY from LPL and BMI (Baby) from MAN will attract different market segments than KLM. Thus I am putting the case that it is entirely possible for major EC gateways to be served successfully from both cities (this is the contention which Mickyman appears to find ridiculous).
All the best.
SHED.
I agree completely with your points. However, my posting was directly comparing the new KLM service (wef March 2009) from Liverpool with the similar KLM service from Manchester to illustrate a specific point. Namely, that if the two airports had identical catchment areas it would be pointless to operate parallel flights from the two. My contention is that it makes sense to do so because the airports' catchment areas differ despite the element of overlap. I accept your points that EZY from LPL and BMI (Baby) from MAN will attract different market segments than KLM. Thus I am putting the case that it is entirely possible for major EC gateways to be served successfully from both cities (this is the contention which Mickyman appears to find ridiculous).
All the best.
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Snow
Just to change the subject, I understand that despite a couple of inches of snow on Monday, there was no complete snow closure and the airport kept going all the time, accepting diversions from the South East as well as LPL, BHX and CDF.
So well done to the Ops Team to keep the place operational.
(and no I don't work there).
Nice to spread some good news for once instead of all this bickering that we have had recently on this thread.
Suzeman
So well done to the Ops Team to keep the place operational.
(and no I don't work there).Nice to spread some good news for once instead of all this bickering that we have had recently on this thread.
Suzeman
