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im just down the road from you on the heath, ive just walked over to morrisons and stockport road isnt to bad,not much traffic about though, but even so i cant see to many people getting to and from the airport today.
im just down the road from you on the heath, ive just walked over to morrisons and stockport road isnt to bad,not much traffic about though, but even so i cant see to many people getting to and from the airport today.
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Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5321N00217W005
B) FROM: 10/01/04 15:04C) TO: 10/01/05 19:00
E) DUE ADVERSE WX DISTRUPTION, AD NOT AVBL FOR DIVERSION EXCEPT IN AN EMERGENCY
Effective until 19:00 today, but still available in an emergency
B) FROM: 10/01/04 15:04C) TO: 10/01/05 19:00
E) DUE ADVERSE WX DISTRUPTION, AD NOT AVBL FOR DIVERSION EXCEPT IN AN EMERGENCY
Effective until 19:00 today, but still available in an emergency
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EGCC RWY05R/23L WILL BE CLOSED DUE TO ICE UNTIL MONDAY 11TH JANUARY. NOTAM A0060/10 REFERS.
Sadly this will mean delays for the rest of the week during the peak periods. In the past hour there seems to be slots popping up to prevent movements between 2120 this evening (Tue) and 0400 tomorrow morning. Interesting....
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Just out of interest how many acres of runway, taxiway, aprons and general road systems are there to be cleared and how many snow ploughs/brushes are there and what sort of coverage do you get for your de-icer.
When you stand on top of the multi storey car park and look down T2 it doesn`t look
that long UNTIL you see one tractors on the ramp then you think OMG
That ramp must be somewhere around a mile long and they would need to 20/30 runs so that makes it 20/30 miles of driving so at about 10 mph 3 hours driving
and that doesn`t allow for probably having to do 2 or 3 runs and then a de-icer do the same, AND THEN it snows again and you have to start all over
Brings it all into perspective how labour intensive it is
Ian B
When you stand on top of the multi storey car park and look down T2 it doesn`t look
that long UNTIL you see one tractors on the ramp then you think OMG
That ramp must be somewhere around a mile long and they would need to 20/30 runs so that makes it 20/30 miles of driving so at about 10 mph 3 hours driving
and that doesn`t allow for probably having to do 2 or 3 runs and then a de-icer do the same, AND THEN it snows again and you have to start all over
Brings it all into perspective how labour intensive it is
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Well if you consider a football pitch is roughly 100 x 50m, then clearing the runway alone is equivalent of clearing 30 football pitches of snow; taxiways probably add up to the equivalent of another 30. I can't even begin to think what it would mean in terms of apron space...something many critics of airport snow clearing ops seem oblivious to. It really can be a huge operation.
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Q) Egtt/qfalt/iv/nbo/a/000/999/5321n00217w005
B) From: 10/01/05 20:49c) To: 10/01/06 06:00
E) Ad Unable To Accept Inbound Acft Due To Snow Clearing Operation
B) From: 10/01/05 20:49c) To: 10/01/06 06:00
E) Ad Unable To Accept Inbound Acft Due To Snow Clearing Operation
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So let me get this straight
They are closing the airport totally to arrivals between 20.49 and 06.00 hrs for snow clearance ? Is this to all arrivals ? If so its a strange thing to do when the SE of England is about to get dumped on.
It reminds me of closing the curtains and turning off the lights at xmas when the carol singers call. Hopefully they will go away
They are closing the airport totally to arrivals between 20.49 and 06.00 hrs for snow clearance ? Is this to all arrivals ? If so its a strange thing to do when the SE of England is about to get dumped on.
It reminds me of closing the curtains and turning off the lights at xmas when the carol singers call. Hopefully they will go away
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there has been at least four arrivals since 20.49 and at least eight due before midnight, its not snowed for a few hours so that should give em half a chance of clearing some of it.
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Q) Egtt/qfalt/iv/nbo/a/000/999/5321n00217w005
B) From: 10/01/05 20:49c) To: 10/01/06 06:00
E) Ad Unable To Accept Inbound Acft Due To Snow Clearing Operation
B) From: 10/01/05 20:49c) To: 10/01/06 06:00
E) Ad Unable To Accept Inbound Acft Due To Snow Clearing Operation
It would be a very bold move to shut and get the clearance job done properly overnight if that is what is planned, presumably with lots of extra resources and equipment planned to come in. Forget about inbound diversions, but there are a lot of MAN's own delayed inbounds due in later. An interesting business decision.
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Q) Egtt/qfuau/iv/nbo/a/000/999/5321n00217w005
B) From: 10/01/05 22:00c) To: 10/01/06 05:00
E) No Acft Fuel Avbl Due Staff Shortages
B) From: 10/01/05 22:00c) To: 10/01/06 05:00
E) No Acft Fuel Avbl Due Staff Shortages
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Minimum staffing at nights on the fuel is quite normal, I suppose if the night man is stuck in the hills or sick (just a guess) then its quite feasible and not really a surprise.
Welcome to the modern world of economics
Millions of pounds of Aircraft sat around while Joe Bloggs has a head cold !!
You couldnt make it up.!
Welcome to the modern world of economics
Millions of pounds of Aircraft sat around while Joe Bloggs has a head cold !!
You couldnt make it up.!
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No Diverts
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Heard from a friend of a friend, that the no divs rule is due to a snow clearing operation to try and clear as many stands as possible overnight, at present they dont have any spare stands, what they do have is to keep our own flights running. So it is a very sensible decision really. This No div rule is only up to 4am when they then cap the arrival rate.
Heard from a friend of a friend, that the no divs rule is due to a snow clearing operation to try and clear as many stands as possible overnight, at present they dont have any spare stands, what they do have is to keep our own flights running. So it is a very sensible decision really. This No div rule is only up to 4am when they then cap the arrival rate.
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PC comment from one at the sharp end
Again, 8 hours waiting, no possibility to anti-ice/de-ice and fuel a/c, no way out despite serviceable r/w and some taxiways. Nada. 36 hours and counting. Crew ready to go. Big expense to airline. Long-term sequelae.
Passengers from a company flight needing police intervention after 12 hours (and continuing) delay, but in the interests of those sensitive souls who hate criticism of others.........
Manchester Airport has planned so well and is in no way responsible for the chaos unfolding within its precincts.
(This is not critical of those folk working hard and failing to get things moving...they are not the decision makers)
Passengers from a company flight needing police intervention after 12 hours (and continuing) delay, but in the interests of those sensitive souls who hate criticism of others.........
Manchester Airport has planned so well and is in no way responsible for the chaos unfolding within its precincts.
(This is not critical of those folk working hard and failing to get things moving...they are not the decision makers)