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True Jet2 are, but they have been looking at entering the London market within the last year or so.
I wish Flybe the best of luck, but have to agree that serving SEN, STN and LCY seems an odd choice.
I wish Flybe the best of luck, but have to agree that serving SEN, STN and LCY seems an odd choice.
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I wish Flybe the best of luck, but have to agree that serving SEN, STN and LCY seems an odd choice.
The Stansted-Dundee is Loganair in Flybe Colours and grant supported at the Scottish end.
With the exception of Newquay the Southend operations are going to be Stobart Air (Aer Arann)operated in Flybe colours
Both Loganair and Stobart are paying Flybe for use of their brand and marketing however the route choices and commercial risk remain with the them and not Flybe.
Tis proposal to return to City is a Flybe commercial venture and has nothing to do do with these other franchised operations saving the possibility that in event of a PSO award on the Newquay route this will be transferred at the end of summer season from Gatwick.
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I do understand that some of the routes are franchises and I get your point. I just think LCY is a strange choice for an airline needing to save money (avoiding the debate about how money they have saved from cutting their other routes and ignoring the possibility of lower introductory landing fees offered by LCY). To then open a NQY route from SEN while planning a LCY-NQY route with similar catchment areas just seems odd. I guess we'll just see what happens...
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Is the decision muddled? Possibly, but it depends on the angle from which you’re looking at it. You’re looking at two different decisions by two different sets of people leading the business and therefore such change is inevitable.
The decision to exit LGW was taken by the previous management team on the back of significant losses. We don’t know if the new management team would have taken the same decision, but the cash generated by the sale will certainly have helped to put Flybe on a more sound financial footing.
Flybe have always carried a high proportion of business travellers and I guess it’s possible that with Cityjet struggling to compete against BA at LCY, and having now been sold to new owners who will not enjoy future bailouts from Air France, perhaps Flybe believe there is opportunity here.
However, with the exception of the information from ACL suggesting an application for slots, there is still zero confirmation from either Flybe or LCY that operations will be launched, let alone a list of destinations they might serve. With no confirmation, I’d suggest that it’s perhaps a little early to start deciding if this is a good or a bad move….. if indeed it is a move at all.
The decision to exit LGW was taken by the previous management team on the back of significant losses. We don’t know if the new management team would have taken the same decision, but the cash generated by the sale will certainly have helped to put Flybe on a more sound financial footing.
Flybe have always carried a high proportion of business travellers and I guess it’s possible that with Cityjet struggling to compete against BA at LCY, and having now been sold to new owners who will not enjoy future bailouts from Air France, perhaps Flybe believe there is opportunity here.
However, with the exception of the information from ACL suggesting an application for slots, there is still zero confirmation from either Flybe or LCY that operations will be launched, let alone a list of destinations they might serve. With no confirmation, I’d suggest that it’s perhaps a little early to start deciding if this is a good or a bad move….. if indeed it is a move at all.
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Originally Posted by tws123
To then open a NQY route from SEN while planning a LCY-NQY route with similar catchment areas just seems odd. I guess we'll just see what happens...
When WOW tried LCY-NQY it was at the height of the over-capacity bloodbath when two LGW-NQY operators were engaged in a fare war and there were between six and eight daily LGW-NQY flights. A publicly-guaranteed monopoly would make LCY more feasible now.
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Well of course businesses want to save money, the difference is that other more successful businesses have large profits to play around with, whereas Flybe do not.
All I'm trying to say is that I'm a bit concerned that LCY is a bad choice for an airline that has just undergone a major job and route restructuring in an attempt to balance the books (that's not to say that they couldn't go there in the future).
All I'm trying to say is that I'm a bit concerned that LCY is a bad choice for an airline that has just undergone a major job and route restructuring in an attempt to balance the books (that's not to say that they couldn't go there in the future).
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Here's G-JECY after rollout at EMA this morning (my picture):
Bombardier Dash 8-402Q - Large Preview - AirTeamImages.com
Bombardier Dash 8-402Q - Large Preview - AirTeamImages.com
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It's South West Trains, right off the bat that's all anyone in the whole region will see!
Are you sure about the monopoly? So if another firm in better shape comes along and wants to compete, they'd be denied?
A publicly-guaranteed monopoly would make LCY more feasible now.
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So do we know yet, if this is to be a new standard scheme, or a 'one-off' to promote the relaunched product?
And, what is the relevance of 'Spirit of Liberum' - I would have though the average FlyBe passenger would relate more closely to 'Kevin Keegan' or 'Mary Peters' !
And, what is the relevance of 'Spirit of Liberum' - I would have though the average FlyBe passenger would relate more closely to 'Kevin Keegan' or 'Mary Peters' !
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If flybe reckon that they can attract enough business travellers to LCY to compensate for the higher airport charges, that's what's needed.
As various airline gurus have pointed out over the years, it's not just about low costs, it's about having costs sustainably below your revenues. High LCY costs don't automatically mean flyBe would lose money there.
If all the rest of the flybe operation has had costs stripped out, it will be very competitive compared to other LCY players.
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Don't get confused by the "Faster than Road or Rail" slogan. Anyone with half a pulse can see that it is supposed to mean it's faster to travel to the airport, check in, wait to board, board, taxi out, take off, land, taxi in, disembark, collect luggage if applicable and then be on your merry way. In no way does it mean a point to point race with a "ready, steady, go" start line and a white tape and cup for the winner, but you know what? You always get those who are prepared to pick holes in everything.
Tonyq, we are led to believe it's just the one for now with the others to be painted with the yellow & red go faster stripes on the fuselage, but I could be completely and utterly wrong.
Tonyq, we are led to believe it's just the one for now with the others to be painted with the yellow & red go faster stripes on the fuselage, but I could be completely and utterly wrong.
seems a bit of confusion but soon they will all be unmissable in that purple
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On the website in the flight destination text for London it lists Gatwick, Luton and Southend. However route maps and timetable has Gatwick, Stansted and Southend.
Do they still have thoughts on Luton or is it just an error ?
Do they still have thoughts on Luton or is it just an error ?
Flybe.com is always riddled with inconsistencies and out-of-date info, they need to invest in IT aswell as painting aeroplanes.
On that subject:
Wouldn't it have been cheaper (seeing as they are trying to reduce their cost base) to leave the aeroplanes essentially white?
On that subject:
Flybe's official twitter page has confirmed all the aircraft will be painted like the one today!
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Tonyq: Spirit of Liberum refers to their City house broker that has supported their refinancing. Fair move.
As a v regular FlyBe flyer, I am surprised they have allowed themselves to go through a rebrand when I doubt the regulars care one iota, and we all have got used to (fond of) the existing livery. Surely regional airlines fail because they lack the awareness with new users. If the purple achieves that, then fine, but I suspect it makes no difference to most, and what regional carriers need is to spend cash available for resprays and new uniforms on more regional awareness campaigns.
Darwin@CBG have all but died from lack of awareness; same of Minoan @OXF. Most punters have zero idea of what flies from their local regional airport, hence why they all go to the hubs for Jet2, Easyjet and Ryanair.
Spend the cash you have raised on local marketing! Yes you may be faster than road and rail, but we kinda suspected that anyway - thats why we choose to fly. So go find new passengers by advertising at the train stations.
I for one want FlyBe to survive and be strong; its a pretty useful little airline flying some pretty handy routes, and a nice bunch of people. The Embraers were great but too expensive, and the Q400s are fine.
As a v regular FlyBe flyer, I am surprised they have allowed themselves to go through a rebrand when I doubt the regulars care one iota, and we all have got used to (fond of) the existing livery. Surely regional airlines fail because they lack the awareness with new users. If the purple achieves that, then fine, but I suspect it makes no difference to most, and what regional carriers need is to spend cash available for resprays and new uniforms on more regional awareness campaigns.
Darwin@CBG have all but died from lack of awareness; same of Minoan @OXF. Most punters have zero idea of what flies from their local regional airport, hence why they all go to the hubs for Jet2, Easyjet and Ryanair.
Spend the cash you have raised on local marketing! Yes you may be faster than road and rail, but we kinda suspected that anyway - thats why we choose to fly. So go find new passengers by advertising at the train stations.
I for one want FlyBe to survive and be strong; its a pretty useful little airline flying some pretty handy routes, and a nice bunch of people. The Embraers were great but too expensive, and the Q400s are fine.