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Am I being thick here, but how does being forced out of GIP owned LGW due to the cost then pitching up at equally expensive GIP owned LCY make sense? Is the current management under Saad trying to reverse an error? This is the entire Gatwick program less Guernsey moved into a high fare airport, I don't see how what failed in the past at LCY with this same company is now going to work with a business model hardly geared towards this rather particular model.
Or are they changing their business model? Hmmm
Or are they changing their business model? Hmmm
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IF THE BHD-LCY turns out to be accurate.....
When has Belfast to London City EVER worked? My own feeling is that LCY is perceived as a mainly business destination. Is there a big enough financial services type base in Belfast to support it? Is there enough demand to support it coming FROM the LCY area? I seriously doubt it.
Did Flybe not do this as a stopping service via IOM and it failed? City Ireland had a go and it failed ...and I seem to recall some operation before both of those but cannot recall the name of the operator.
I hope it works for Flybe......but based on the previous evidence...I doubt it.
When has Belfast to London City EVER worked? My own feeling is that LCY is perceived as a mainly business destination. Is there a big enough financial services type base in Belfast to support it? Is there enough demand to support it coming FROM the LCY area? I seriously doubt it.
Did Flybe not do this as a stopping service via IOM and it failed? City Ireland had a go and it failed ...and I seem to recall some operation before both of those but cannot recall the name of the operator.
I hope it works for Flybe......but based on the previous evidence...I doubt it.
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The only serious attempt to make BHD LCY work was in 2007/8 when Cityjet/ suckling did 328 on the route. Nonstop flights, quite long sector on a prop. The broader context needs to be considered for that time;
Aer Lingus entered Belfast London market with new BFS LHR route x 4 320's per day. Ryanair entered BHD STN with 5 daily 738's on the route. London was flooded with seats but more importantly few knew that the LCY route was operated and fares were ridiculously high.
It has potential as mon to fri plus Sunday route - but we shall have to wait and see. Business orientated , but I'm not convinced. They will invest a lot of time and money making this route work.
I agree with previous comments that BE has moved from one high cost airport to another , except this way they get a £25m payment plus escape the rigours of intense competition on every route, ie EZY on IOM, EI on BHD etc.
Aer Lingus entered Belfast London market with new BFS LHR route x 4 320's per day. Ryanair entered BHD STN with 5 daily 738's on the route. London was flooded with seats but more importantly few knew that the LCY route was operated and fares were ridiculously high.
It has potential as mon to fri plus Sunday route - but we shall have to wait and see. Business orientated , but I'm not convinced. They will invest a lot of time and money making this route work.
I agree with previous comments that BE has moved from one high cost airport to another , except this way they get a £25m payment plus escape the rigours of intense competition on every route, ie EZY on IOM, EI on BHD etc.
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Considering many passengers used LGW not necessarily for central London one would hope for an interlink agreement so that passengers can transfer on to the BA CityFlyer routes?
Purely guesswork here, but if the operation at London City really does come to reality, I'm wondering if some of the following routes are going to be sacrificed to ensure aircraft and crew availability - in the published schedule on the Flybe website, they all seem to end just before the LCY operation would potentially start.
Birmingham-Avignon
Birmingham-Bergerac
Birmingham-Brest
Birmingham-Perpignan
Birmingham-Waterford
Manchester-Waterford
Southampton-Bordeaux
Birmingham-Avignon
Birmingham-Bergerac
Birmingham-Brest
Birmingham-Perpignan
Birmingham-Waterford
Manchester-Waterford
Southampton-Bordeaux
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Allstate, NYSE and Chicago Mercantile also have IT operations in Belfast with business offices in London.
However actual physical travel is becoming rare in the financial IT sector. Webex and video conferencing are the norm, they cost a few pence per use. They may not even be 20% as effective as a direct meeting but they are 0.1% of the cost of a flight.
However actual physical travel is becoming rare in the financial IT sector. Webex and video conferencing are the norm, they cost a few pence per use. They may not even be 20% as effective as a direct meeting but they are 0.1% of the cost of a flight.
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LCY
Indeed the routes mentioned do coincide, however none are daily and most once a week so would not cover the above schedule.
On a different note it would be a bit of a blow for Waterford if it lost BHX and MAN. Perhaps a transfer to Eddie.
Centre cities
On a different note it would be a bit of a blow for Waterford if it lost BHX and MAN. Perhaps a transfer to Eddie.
Centre cities
lfc84 - Cityjet are dropping their Dundee-London City route and Loganair are opening a Dundee-Stansted route. Announced on 22 January 2014. Loganair's DND-STN will likely become a PSO route
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Cityjet out of Belfast was a flop because of the skyhigh prices. 328s are great little machines to fly on as a passenger, but not good if you want to appeal to the mass markets in terms of price.
By comparison, having used BA Cityflyer, and even Cityjet on the Avros out of Dublin, prices tend to be lower. I hope the new Flybe routes work well, my only concern would be an 8.35am arrival at LCY cuts it a little tight to make it for a typical 9am meeting in London
By comparison, having used BA Cityflyer, and even Cityjet on the Avros out of Dublin, prices tend to be lower. I hope the new Flybe routes work well, my only concern would be an 8.35am arrival at LCY cuts it a little tight to make it for a typical 9am meeting in London
Anyone looking at the report on the ACL website might wish to note that a new version of the report was published at 13:52:37 today (28 March) with some of the details of the Flybe slot grants now redacted.
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In terms of the speculation of MAN-WAT looking like it is being cut ready for LCY ops, I'm struggling to see how cutting 1 flight on a MAN based aircraft could give the aircraft to LCY? If all those BHX flights get cut then fair enough, but I would think more needs to be cut at MAN to free up an aircraft?