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I know the majority of the crew here are all moving to other bases apart from some who have left the company. Our remaining IOM crew are going to be based in MAN/BHD/BHX/SOU when the base closes. I imagine the crew that will night stop here will be MAN/BHX crew so some of them will be put up over here occasionally. Some will still have their families on the island so will be trying to get as many night stops as they can. Whether or not Flybe will take this into account is another question
I know the majority of the crew here are all moving to other bases apart from some who have left the company. Our remaining IOM crew are going to be based in MAN/BHD/BHX/SOU when the base closes. I imagine the crew that will night stop here will be MAN/BHX crew so some of them will be put up over here occasionally. Some will still have their families on the island so will be trying to get as many night stops as they can. Whether or not Flybe will take this into account is another question
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Thanks for clearing that up sarnold. They told us over here they were all out of a job and that a move to another base woouldn't be allowed - so you only here what they want you to hear. Still, good luck to them - still the blessed.
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Can 319s do SOU-AGP etc. with a reasonable load?
I think 319s make sense for many routes out of MAN and BHX- what about a mix of 319s and Dash 8-400s to cover all routes ultimately
I think 319s make sense for many routes out of MAN and BHX- what about a mix of 319s and Dash 8-400s to cover all routes ultimately
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Personally, I am pretty sceptical about the chances of BE A319s at BHX. If you look at the business routes that BE fly profitably, then 2x daily is desirable. Apart from e.g. FRA, AMS, CDG where there is connecting feed, these routes tend to be props or regional jets, because what customers want is not the somewhat cheaper fares that a BE A319 *might* allow, but more flights. I think this is a factor in why the E195 is being ditched in favour of the E175.
Secondly, the day BE get a route working well on A319s would probably the day that FR/EZY announce the same route and drive BE off.
Finally, BE is a listed company. Any major strategic initiative, such as a major fleet change, would count as market sensitive information. Whilst this doesn't make a rumour true or false, an employee/contractor allowing this to go into the public domain could be in deep trouble.
Personally, I am pretty sceptical about the chances of BE A319s at BHX. If you look at the business routes that BE fly profitably, then 2x daily is desirable. Apart from e.g. FRA, AMS, CDG where there is connecting feed, these routes tend to be props or regional jets, because what customers want is not the somewhat cheaper fares that a BE A319 *might* allow, but more flights. I think this is a factor in why the E195 is being ditched in favour of the E175.
Secondly, the day BE get a route working well on A319s would probably the day that FR/EZY announce the same route and drive BE off.
Finally, BE is a listed company. Any major strategic initiative, such as a major fleet change, would count as market sensitive information. Whilst this doesn't make a rumour true or false, an employee/contractor allowing this to go into the public domain could be in deep trouble.
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Thanks for the reply. The way it was explained to me was that the Embraers are performance limited at 'HI; BAA charge £30 + per pax; No limitations would exist at HH; & HH would charge considerably less.
Sounded quite plausible, to me.
Although, HH doesn't have the rail line & Flybe have been trying to sell HI to us in the C.I. by emphasising its alternative status as a Gatwick substitute.
Thanks for the reply. The way it was explained to me was that the Embraers are performance limited at 'HI; BAA charge £30 + per pax; No limitations would exist at HH; & HH would charge considerably less.
Sounded quite plausible, to me.
Although, HH doesn't have the rail line & Flybe have been trying to sell HI to us in the C.I. by emphasising its alternative status as a Gatwick substitute.
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Can understand that but no airline has really made Bournemouth work to the same extend as SOU. Whilst they are close together there is a larger market at SOU and few airlines can go in to compete. Flybe will be retaining 4 E195s of the 14 in service so there is no reason at least one can be based in SOU allowing some further European routes
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You sure about that? I heard the other day that they are all offloaded by the end of the summer schedule.
Agreed, there's a reason BE aren't already at BOH. The lack of a real presence from anyone speaks volumes.
You sure about that? I heard the other day that they are all offloaded by the end of the summer schedule.
Agreed, there's a reason BE aren't already at BOH. The lack of a real presence from anyone speaks volumes.
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Interesting comments re the 195 and how would that affect the BHX and MAN to CDG services? Does anyone know how long the agreement has to run?
Manchester already gets a 175 back-up operating 30 minutes after the 195 early morning and a 175 on BHX would be useless with overall loads factors at 80%.
Also noted at times in the summer the BHX-BRU has four of the five flights operated by flybe compared to two to three now.
Pete
Interesting comments re the 195 and how would that affect the BHX and MAN to CDG services? Does anyone know how long the agreement has to run?
Manchester already gets a 175 back-up operating 30 minutes after the 195 early morning and a 175 on BHX would be useless with overall loads factors at 80%.
Also noted at times in the summer the BHX-BRU has four of the five flights operated by flybe compared to two to three now.
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Well the summer schedule finishes at the end of October. The current plan is to remove 10 from service - 2 will be returned to the lessor shortly the others will be stored. That leaves 4 in continuing operation until the end of the summer season where I believe the intention is to continue using at least 2
As far as I am aware 1 will be BHX based to operate the CDG and the other is yet to be confirmed. Therefore I see no reason why it could not go in to SOU. However it is possible that these plans will change again and indeed if all E195s were to be removed there is no reason why Flybe would leave SOU in favour of anywhere else which was the original suggestion. I do not deny that we may see flights in to BOH but I simply cannot see them closing down SOU where they have the whole airport practically to themselves.
OP - If the E195 does go from BHX, what would stop them putting on 2 E175s like MAN? I think demand is there for 2 early morning departures - what do you reckon?
As far as I am aware 1 will be BHX based to operate the CDG and the other is yet to be confirmed. Therefore I see no reason why it could not go in to SOU. However it is possible that these plans will change again and indeed if all E195s were to be removed there is no reason why Flybe would leave SOU in favour of anywhere else which was the original suggestion. I do not deny that we may see flights in to BOH but I simply cannot see them closing down SOU where they have the whole airport practically to themselves.
OP - If the E195 does go from BHX, what would stop them putting on 2 E175s like MAN? I think demand is there for 2 early morning departures - what do you reckon?
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The challenge with the BOH and SOU catchments is the proximity to LHR and LGW. Those living north of SOU have more choice from LHR, and typically less than an hours drive. Those living east of SOU have the same position with LGW , although a little longer journey.
SOU survives mostly by virtue of those resident in the city of SOU and to its southwest and a few sensible travelers from Winchester and Portsmouth who value the ease of use of a local airport.
In other words SOU has the same catchment as BOH! It's rich, it's the largest non industrial population in Europe apparently, and feeds a great deal of traffic to LHR and LGW.
And that is the challenge for any operator at BOH and SOU.
I agree with Cloud, Flybe will stay at SOU, there is no reason to move so far as I can see.
SOU survives mostly by virtue of those resident in the city of SOU and to its southwest and a few sensible travelers from Winchester and Portsmouth who value the ease of use of a local airport.
In other words SOU has the same catchment as BOH! It's rich, it's the largest non industrial population in Europe apparently, and feeds a great deal of traffic to LHR and LGW.
And that is the challenge for any operator at BOH and SOU.
I agree with Cloud, Flybe will stay at SOU, there is no reason to move so far as I can see.
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That was originally the case, but I think a few crew from the main bases have decided to leave the company and will need replacing. Flybe obviously didn't imagine that happening! Also the IOM wasn't scheduled to have any airframes night-stopping after the winter but now this is going to be two, and they will need the IOM crew to operate them, albeit being based across and night stopping on the island
That was originally the case, but I think a few crew from the main bases have decided to leave the company and will need replacing. Flybe obviously didn't imagine that happening! Also the IOM wasn't scheduled to have any airframes night-stopping after the winter but now this is going to be two, and they will need the IOM crew to operate them, albeit being based across and night stopping on the island
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No problem at all if they operate say 06.15 and 06.45 similar to the Manchester flights then it would be fine although I dare say it would involve moving 175's from other routes or airports. They would also need to double up on the evening as well unless Air France up their capacity.
A319's
I was told that these were under consideration but not definite.
Preveza -BHX-PVK has disappeared for summer but as per the Bristol thread flybe still showing as operating BHX-INN and SZG this summer but I suppose still time to change.
Pete
No problem at all if they operate say 06.15 and 06.45 similar to the Manchester flights then it would be fine although I dare say it would involve moving 175's from other routes or airports. They would also need to double up on the evening as well unless Air France up their capacity.
A319's
I was told that these were under consideration but not definite.
Preveza -BHX-PVK has disappeared for summer but as per the Bristol thread flybe still showing as operating BHX-INN and SZG this summer but I suppose still time to change.
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Leg, I think you will find Flybe lost money on a large number of routes last year so it comes as no surprise that a significant amount may have been from SOU as one of the largest bases.
The reality now is that costs have been driven down and the airline is now starting to make money on those routes. We cannot any longer go on previous financial data for the routes that have been retained following the route restructure
Flybe still have a reasonable charter programme this summer albeit not to the same extent as previous years. Cannot remember which routes were quoted to me but I guess all will become clear soon enough as the summer timetables kick in to action
The reality now is that costs have been driven down and the airline is now starting to make money on those routes. We cannot any longer go on previous financial data for the routes that have been retained following the route restructure
Flybe still have a reasonable charter programme this summer albeit not to the same extent as previous years. Cannot remember which routes were quoted to me but I guess all will become clear soon enough as the summer timetables kick in to action
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Any more news on the rumour of FlyBe starting some LCY services?
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PURELY SPECULATIVE! But: Cityjet is reducing LCY, so LCY will be keen to attract additional custom. BE has the appropriate planes, do the DASH8/E175 need any steep approach equipment/training? Linked to this: Rumour is that FMO will announce a new London route to start in May, with an airline that has not previously flown regular FMO services... details will not be shared until in two weeks time as they are under strict instruction to keep their mouths shut. Now of course, that could simply be Easyjet, but to FMO, undermining their nearby DTM operations? As I say, just some thought spinning...