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Strategic reviews
Flybe are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The costs per seat are too high to be able to compete effectively against easyjet and ryanair. The last figures I saw (2012) Flybe were more than twice the cost per seat of the LCC.
Short haul business routes with sufficient demand are already mostly served by LCC and legacy carriers and the core market in UK is constrained by APD.
So what do I expect when the review is published?
Fewer aircraft, lots of focus on building SOU for access to London and an alternate for passengers to LHR. A loud call to govt to scrap APD especially for UK regions.
Building strength and frequency on key business routes. Especially AMS, DUB, EDI, MAN, GLA, BHD from SOU and Exeter. And from the Channel Islands to SOU.
Maybe a reinvigoration of the KLM interline relationship at AMS and who knows, even a deal with Aer Lingus for transfers to the Atlantic in Dublin.
Less focus on BHX.
The possibility of a lower seat cost aircraft in future. Maybe an alternate to the e170. Perhaps more higher density dash 8.
A modest attempt at leisure routes from SOU and Exeter. These are high risk because of LCC competition, Flybe probably cannot meet the cost levels needed. And finally maybe a holidays business much like jet2 but on a smaller scale...
Short haul business routes with sufficient demand are already mostly served by LCC and legacy carriers and the core market in UK is constrained by APD.
So what do I expect when the review is published?
Fewer aircraft, lots of focus on building SOU for access to London and an alternate for passengers to LHR. A loud call to govt to scrap APD especially for UK regions.
Building strength and frequency on key business routes. Especially AMS, DUB, EDI, MAN, GLA, BHD from SOU and Exeter. And from the Channel Islands to SOU.
Maybe a reinvigoration of the KLM interline relationship at AMS and who knows, even a deal with Aer Lingus for transfers to the Atlantic in Dublin.
Less focus on BHX.
The possibility of a lower seat cost aircraft in future. Maybe an alternate to the e170. Perhaps more higher density dash 8.
A modest attempt at leisure routes from SOU and Exeter. These are high risk because of LCC competition, Flybe probably cannot meet the cost levels needed. And finally maybe a holidays business much like jet2 but on a smaller scale...
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A rather poor guess at what's going to happen.
BHX will be expanded, no tie up with KLM (that's a very
cookie thing to say, no chance in 'ell of that happening).
Most flybe routes are too thin for LCC's to look at so not
quite sure where you get that idea from.
Sure the company is going to be reduced in size, anyone
can see that coming.
As for leisure routes, company has already stated that.
No competition at SOU for bucket & spade, and has a
much better catchment than BOH.
Never mind, just over a week and all will be revealed,
lots of crew getting ready to quit though regardless
of the outcome.
BHX will be expanded, no tie up with KLM (that's a very
cookie thing to say, no chance in 'ell of that happening).
Most flybe routes are too thin for LCC's to look at so not
quite sure where you get that idea from.
Sure the company is going to be reduced in size, anyone
can see that coming.
As for leisure routes, company has already stated that.
No competition at SOU for bucket & spade, and has a
much better catchment than BOH.
Never mind, just over a week and all will be revealed,
lots of crew getting ready to quit though regardless
of the outcome.
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I wonder if they would consider moving away from the LCC model. They can't compete on price so why not improve the service. I wonder if a Porter Airlines like product would work out for them?
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They just need to chop back their loss making services with a big scythe - they're flying certain routes at less than 40% load factor, and not high yields - not the way to make money, or even cover direct operating costs!
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There's no equivalent uncompeted airport that flybe can suddenly serve (the equivalent would be if it got into LCY and somehow was the only carrier there.) So if you want it to "do a Porter," all it can do is serve food and drink on board, brush up the brand, and charge more money - closer to home that's a bit like the flybmi model, but with more suitable aircraft (just far too many of them).
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even a deal with Aer Lingus for transfers to the Atlantic in Dublin.
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BE @ BHX
According to BHX thread BE have filed for slots BHX-MUC up against a 3 x daily LH serviced. They must be mad. Lets hope this is a dummy slot taken for another more plausible route launch. I like flying BE and hope this much talked about review brings about good things at all bases. For BHX there is great potential for them as are a number of city routes that they could have to themselves, PRG, MAD, GVA, WAW amongst others. They have done well on BHX-LYS so I hope BE start kicking some ass with a much expanded BHX base in the future. Time will tell.....
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Not a chance, EI have made there position quiet clear on BE and it would it
something remarkable for them to change
What do you mean EI have made their position clear on BE? I get it that they have had a blood bath of competition on BHD LGW, with both most likely having lost a small fortune on the route. But with BE exiting, and lets remember it is EI that have been predatory going into a BE market and flooding the route with low priced seats.
With BE exiting the route for its own wider ranging reasons, it would make commercial sense for BE and EI to work together at DUB, to feed traffic from EXT, SOU and CFN to the T/A network, and from CFN to Europe. GLA SNN could do with the feed. It would work for both parties, and both are not stranger to doing codeshares, interlining etc.
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As an ex-employee, I was also informed by an ex-colleague that they are looking at using the jets for night flights out of SOU. Marrakech being one of the destinations mentioned.
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I'd assume that would be fitting around the curfew's at night for SOU? How much further is Marrakech than say Faro, as I don't think the E195's can fly much further than that without taking a passenger/payload penalty.
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Hey EI-A330-300,
What do you mean EI have made their position clear on BE? I get it that they have had a blood bath of competition on BHD LGW, with both most likely having lost a small fortune on the route. But with BE exiting, and lets remember it is EI that have been predatory going into a BE market and flooding the route with low priced seats.
With BE exiting the route for its own wider ranging reasons, it would make commercial sense for BE and EI to work together at DUB, to feed traffic from EXT, SOU and CFN to the T/A network, and from CFN to Europe. GLA SNN could do with the feed. It would work for both parties, and both are not stranger to doing codeshares, interlining etc.
EI-BUD
What do you mean EI have made their position clear on BE? I get it that they have had a blood bath of competition on BHD LGW, with both most likely having lost a small fortune on the route. But with BE exiting, and lets remember it is EI that have been predatory going into a BE market and flooding the route with low priced seats.
With BE exiting the route for its own wider ranging reasons, it would make commercial sense for BE and EI to work together at DUB, to feed traffic from EXT, SOU and CFN to the T/A network, and from CFN to Europe. GLA SNN could do with the feed. It would work for both parties, and both are not stranger to doing codeshares, interlining etc.
EI-BUD
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Couldn't agree with you more wingo, people can hide behind the fact this is a "rumour" forum, but that is not an excuse for people to say "airlines going belly up" unless you actually have some sort of evidence or rumour to back it up. Otherwise it's ill informed opinion.
As wingo says have some respect for the guys and gals out there right now working the line and in the offices, who Flybe provide a salary to, with Christmas fast approaching and uncertainty hopefully about to be eased, people saying they're going busy is daft.
What seems to be a good management team being put in place, and people looking forward to the future, wait for the 11th and then pass comment.
As wingo says have some respect for the guys and gals out there right now working the line and in the offices, who Flybe provide a salary to, with Christmas fast approaching and uncertainty hopefully about to be eased, people saying they're going busy is daft.
What seems to be a good management team being put in place, and people looking forward to the future, wait for the 11th and then pass comment.
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Sadly, people like spottilludrop don't care what they write because it doesn't affect them, they are too entrenched in their own little "idontgivea****" world to even care.
Sadly, people like spottilludrop don't care what they write because it doesn't affect them, they are too entrenched in their own little "idontgivea****" world to even care.