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I wonder how the APD will work on these "connecting" services. If sold as a true interlining ticket, doesn't APD have to be charged on the first sector and collected, in this instance, by Flybe.
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That's interesting, I had the same question in my mind as Wellington. Whereas in the US the big three can run dedicated feeder lines, that's obviously not going to happen in the UK. But surely the future for a good slice of intercontinental from the north of England and possibly Scotland is to assemble the traffic at one place, probably Manchester. So a feeder airline such as flybe needs (a) agreements with AA, UA, SQ etc (b) agreement within the scheduling committee to a wave pattern which works for all. Obviously there is always going to be a risk that fog at Inverness (say) prevents the connection and the commercial deal has to be written down. But given that Manchester is a 'weak hub' ie not an intercontinental base for just one network operator, I think this is the way to go and I hope agreements can be written which work for all parties.
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Yes, you're right that flybe would have to collect the APD in this case. But either way, the passenger will have to pay the APD - either to flybe or to Thomas Cook - so there is no scope to avoid it (as in the case of flying via AMS on separate tickets, for example).
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Demand adjustment
Does anyone understand how FlyBE reacts to demand peaks, and whether they do any forecasting? Looking at BHX-HAJ-BHX, sold out on BHX-HAJ 15/16/23 SEPT and HAJ-BHX 18/19/20/21 SEPT, and the schedule still suggests use of the usually timetabled equipment, except on 20SEPT, where Dash8 was swapped for E175. Demand for those dates has been heavy for weeks, so it is not exactly a surprising sell-out. Do BE not swap planes to react to demand?
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From memory I suspect that there may be a major trade show in Hannover at that time of the year.
It may be a commercial value judgement as to weather or not they upgrade the equipment used based on the ancillary costs like refunds on the routes "loosing" capacity.
Edit: I do not know if they carry spare capacity on a regular basis - e.g. a E175 on standby to cover unserviceable aircraft..
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It may be a commercial value judgement as to weather or not they upgrade the equipment used based on the ancillary costs like refunds on the routes "loosing" capacity.
Edit: I do not know if they carry spare capacity on a regular basis - e.g. a E175 on standby to cover unserviceable aircraft..
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Last week Offshore Europe was in town up here in ABZ which creates a ton of extra demand.
BE subbed many of the usual DH4 rotations for E175/E195 on BHX-ABZ so they probably do sub for larger equipment if and when required.
BE subbed many of the usual DH4 rotations for E175/E195 on BHX-ABZ so they probably do sub for larger equipment if and when required.
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The BHX spare is a 195 but it is mainly cover for tech aircraft but CaptainDoony is correct that last week the 175 and 195 subbed in on the Aberdeen with DUS and EDI flown as Q400's at times.
BHX-HAJ of course was double daily in the week during summer 2012 and I was amazed it was dropped to one Q400 but unless BHX gets more 175's I doubt they will change the schedule.
The five jets at the time of the Hanover service operate to Lyon, Inverness, Dusseldorf, Milan and Paris.
Also worth noting the spare 195 seems to spend a lot less time on the ground but some of this seems to be due to maintenance of other e-jets such as the other week one 175 was out of service for six days.
Back to the BHX schedules the 175 on Inverness changes to Aberdeen in winter and is retimed to arrive back in time to squash in the afternoon DUS in order for one of the other 175's to operate Milan in place of the195, with the displaced 195 operating the afternoon EDI service. However the 195's other flights for flybe (not CDG with AF) have disappeared per GDS with the BHD showing all Q400's in the week operating by the BHX base with just one or two 175's operated from the BHD base.
I assume easyjet are eating into their client base and with 3 x 156 seat 319's on a Thursday and Friday this winter things are going to get difficult and in fact in the New Year, flybe have just 5 flights some days with only one jet. GLA this winter seems to keep 2 x195 for SOU and BHX which is a change from the first release of 1 x 195 and 1 x 175.
EMA to EDI and BHD is also reverting to three daily in the week but GLA remains at four.
BHD also still showing Gatwick this winter as 2 x 175 and 2 x Q400 therefore BHD is seeing some capacity cuts once you factor in the seat losses on EMA & BHX.
I suppose some Q400 flights might change to 175's if they ever take deliver of the four due.
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The BHX spare is a 195 but it is mainly cover for tech aircraft but CaptainDoony is correct that last week the 175 and 195 subbed in on the Aberdeen with DUS and EDI flown as Q400's at times.
BHX-HAJ of course was double daily in the week during summer 2012 and I was amazed it was dropped to one Q400 but unless BHX gets more 175's I doubt they will change the schedule.
The five jets at the time of the Hanover service operate to Lyon, Inverness, Dusseldorf, Milan and Paris.
Also worth noting the spare 195 seems to spend a lot less time on the ground but some of this seems to be due to maintenance of other e-jets such as the other week one 175 was out of service for six days.
Back to the BHX schedules the 175 on Inverness changes to Aberdeen in winter and is retimed to arrive back in time to squash in the afternoon DUS in order for one of the other 175's to operate Milan in place of the195, with the displaced 195 operating the afternoon EDI service. However the 195's other flights for flybe (not CDG with AF) have disappeared per GDS with the BHD showing all Q400's in the week operating by the BHX base with just one or two 175's operated from the BHD base.
I assume easyjet are eating into their client base and with 3 x 156 seat 319's on a Thursday and Friday this winter things are going to get difficult and in fact in the New Year, flybe have just 5 flights some days with only one jet. GLA this winter seems to keep 2 x195 for SOU and BHX which is a change from the first release of 1 x 195 and 1 x 175.
EMA to EDI and BHD is also reverting to three daily in the week but GLA remains at four.
BHD also still showing Gatwick this winter as 2 x 175 and 2 x Q400 therefore BHD is seeing some capacity cuts once you factor in the seat losses on EMA & BHX.
I suppose some Q400 flights might change to 175's if they ever take deliver of the four due.
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Cheers, do you know which bases they have been allocated to as the timetable just shows less 195 flights and more Q400's (in general).
I am surprised at the BHD schedule even before the Gatwick ends it goes from 944 seats to 664 seats on weekdays and are they bowing to the competition on BHX-BFS by easyjet?
Some days on BHX 1572 seats down to 1132 which is a 25% reduction coupled with EMA-BHD reduced by 25% it is some capacity reduction.
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Cheers, do you know which bases they have been allocated to as the timetable just shows less 195 flights and more Q400's (in general).
I am surprised at the BHD schedule even before the Gatwick ends it goes from 944 seats to 664 seats on weekdays and are they bowing to the competition on BHX-BFS by easyjet?
Some days on BHX 1572 seats down to 1132 which is a 25% reduction coupled with EMA-BHD reduced by 25% it is some capacity reduction.
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Hi Pete, unfortunately we don't know yet. From my understanding (& I could be wrong) the 175's will replace some grounded 195's for the winter period, then next summer they will replace some 195's that are to be returned as their leases expires.
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Thanks @OltonPete. Always good to read your posts. Was under the impression that there was more free BE aircraft at BHX - as I fly outside the peak hours during the day usually I probably see them on their lunch break 
What BE has achieved on the HAJ route are a stronger load factor at higher fares compared to last summer, so it may be quite an attractive commercial move (until Germanwings decide to ship in from HAJ that is - not at all suggesting that this is on their cards currently). Obvious side effect are the sell-outs during any peak periods, mainly trade shows.
What BE has achieved on the HAJ route are a stronger load factor at higher fares compared to last summer, so it may be quite an attractive commercial move (until Germanwings decide to ship in from HAJ that is - not at all suggesting that this is on their cards currently). Obvious side effect are the sell-outs during any peak periods, mainly trade shows.
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Thank you for the info
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You are right there are a few morning and afternoon naps and in general you probably do see one 195 and one Q400 parked.
Basically the BHX schedule has a spare Q400 in the morning and if they want they can make BHX-HAJ it's first flight at 13.00. Also the Waterford departs Mo, Wed & Fri around 10.45 and it does not operate anywhere in that period on a Tuesday & Thursday so in theory you could see two Q400's parked up at midday on some week days but believe me utilisation has improved - honest!
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Interesting and your post prompted me to re-check the EMA winter schedule and big changes. Currently the Q400 operates EMA-CDG-EMA-JER-EMA-AMS-EMA-CDG-EMA. Winter was switched to 2 x AMS and 1 x CDG but it has further reduced. The other thing is the CDG is showing as the 175 in February but I can't find any other 175 flights from or to EMA.
There could be no based aircraft although I believe the schedule is work in progress or I have missed something obvious.
Glasgow is reduced to three daily with the second inbound to EMA operating Amsterdam 13.05/16.25.
The Paris is still 14.25/18.05 but the second EDI arrives 11.25 and departs 16.15 and I assume Jersey or Paris will fit in between. If it is CDG I assume JER will be operated by the MAN or BHX aircraft although the schedule does not show this at present. Other alternatives are the Belfast second inbound does one of the flights (not showing this at present) or the based aircraft will be doing a new destination.
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Thank you for the info
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You are right there are a few morning and afternoon naps and in general you probably do see one 195 and one Q400 parked.
Basically the BHX schedule has a spare Q400 in the morning and if they want they can make BHX-HAJ it's first flight at 13.00. Also the Waterford departs Mo, Wed & Fri around 10.45 and it does not operate anywhere in that period on a Tuesday & Thursday so in theory you could see two Q400's parked up at midday on some week days but believe me utilisation has improved - honest!
UPS@EMA
Interesting and your post prompted me to re-check the EMA winter schedule and big changes. Currently the Q400 operates EMA-CDG-EMA-JER-EMA-AMS-EMA-CDG-EMA. Winter was switched to 2 x AMS and 1 x CDG but it has further reduced. The other thing is the CDG is showing as the 175 in February but I can't find any other 175 flights from or to EMA.
There could be no based aircraft although I believe the schedule is work in progress or I have missed something obvious.
Glasgow is reduced to three daily with the second inbound to EMA operating Amsterdam 13.05/16.25.
The Paris is still 14.25/18.05 but the second EDI arrives 11.25 and departs 16.15 and I assume Jersey or Paris will fit in between. If it is CDG I assume JER will be operated by the MAN or BHX aircraft although the schedule does not show this at present. Other alternatives are the Belfast second inbound does one of the flights (not showing this at present) or the based aircraft will be doing a new destination.
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If flybe wanted to start BHX - Knock it would be no problem aircraft wise, plenty of slack in the weekday schedule although Sunday mid afternoon onwards even in winter is congested but it could be done.
If they flew it at 10.45 Tue, Thu, Sun it could be done but Mon or Fri would be tight. Saturday hardly has any flights outbound after 1pm on the based Q400's.
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If flybe wanted to start BHX - Knock it would be no problem aircraft wise, plenty of slack in the weekday schedule although Sunday mid afternoon onwards even in winter is congested but it could be done.
If they flew it at 10.45 Tue, Thu, Sun it could be done but Mon or Fri would be tight. Saturday hardly has any flights outbound after 1pm on the based Q400's.
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This is what I thought because WAT initially was about 6 weekly and has nestled nicely now at 4 weekly. They would need a Sun PM rotation to make NOC work realistically. Sat AM was very popular when EIR had morning flights but even Sat PM flights have worked for the likes of mytravellite. The demand is there, its just seeping to EMA. BE run MAN-NOC 4 weekly through winter and daily in summer, similar to other prop operators in years gone by, and can compete against FR at LPL albeit on a smaller scale so can see no reason BHX wouldn't succeed.
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the 175's will replace some grounded 195's for the winter period, then next summer they will replace some 195's that are to be returned as their leases expires.
Are the 195's really going,what a shame as they are such wonderful planes.Will only a few go or the whole fleet of 14?Surely,they can't get rid of G-FBEA,our "Wings of the Community"
Are the 195's really going,what a shame as they are such wonderful planes.Will only a few go or the whole fleet of 14?Surely,they can't get rid of G-FBEA,our "Wings of the Community"
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They are parking up 4 195's for the winter then for the summer the 195's return and then new jets replace 4 dash's that are going back to the lease company. All subject to the new ex easyjet team that now seem to be in charge.