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The cruise market is a red herring. Cruise passengers often choose to cruise because they either cannot or do not want to fly.
Those that do fly may prefer to either fly to the sun then cruise, or fly home.
Cruise routes are usually Barbados, Miami, Los Angeles, Seattle and Vancouver and closer to home, Rome, Venice Athens, Barcelona and Palma, not a big market for Flybe either way. For most of the UK population SOU is a train ride away for holidaymakers. So domestic routes are not likely to benefit much either.
What will be interesting will be the impact of the new flybe board and the on- going review. My bet is that a significant portion of the LGW routes will go sooner rather than at the end of the winter schedule as previously announced. There is not a great deal of point in operating loss making routes if profitability is a goal.
That might offer SOU some upside as capacity will be released for extra rotations on routes like SOU
to EDI and DUB.
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Those that do fly may prefer to either fly to the sun then cruise, or fly home.
Cruise routes are usually Barbados, Miami, Los Angeles, Seattle and Vancouver and closer to home, Rome, Venice Athens, Barcelona and Palma, not a big market for Flybe either way. For most of the UK population SOU is a train ride away for holidaymakers. So domestic routes are not likely to benefit much either.
What will be interesting will be the impact of the new flybe board and the on- going review. My bet is that a significant portion of the LGW routes will go sooner rather than at the end of the winter schedule as previously announced. There is not a great deal of point in operating loss making routes if profitability is a goal.
That might offer SOU some upside as capacity will be released for extra rotations on routes like SOU
to EDI and DUB.
FF
Simon - the Newquay routes both from Gatwick and also Manchester are real black holes for Flybe - better get used to the idea of them closing pretty soon. I very much doubt the seasonal routes from Belfast, Newcastle or Edinburgh will be baclk next summer.
.... sits back and waits for a reaction from cs.... :-)
.... sits back and waits for a reaction from cs.... :-)
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Not sure that's correct actually, the NQY-MAN performs very well and load factors are very good, however, not one route operated into LGW makes money due to the high charges there. I can't see any LGW route being dropped before the announced pull off.
Not sure that's correct actually, the NQY-MAN performs very well and load factors are very good, however, not one route operated into LGW makes money due to the high charges there. I can't see any LGW route being dropped before the announced pull off.
Does nobody have a sense of humour any more ? CornishSimon seems perpetually concerned about who is or isn't flying from Cornwall's only airport (ie Newquay). Can't we have just a little bit of fun winding him up ever so slightly... ?
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More details on the Thomas Cook tie up.
It seems that many long haul flights will switch to DE codeshares, (Condor) which in turn appear on the main travel booking portals.
By re timing long haul wave to depart after 11am this will help connections from NI, Scotland, Norwich and although a 1215 arr from Newquay is a tad late...
Can only see this helping Flybe and is something they have long needed !
It seems that many long haul flights will switch to DE codeshares, (Condor) which in turn appear on the main travel booking portals.
By re timing long haul wave to depart after 11am this will help connections from NI, Scotland, Norwich and although a 1215 arr from Newquay is a tad late...
Can only see this helping Flybe and is something they have long needed !
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I guess the Thomas Cook tie-up could be seen as a better connected 'replacement' for their feeding of BA/VS at LGW (although the latter offer a better selection of destinations/frequency's on the long haul side).
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Can only see this helping Flybe and is something they have long needed !
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was merely re-quoting local rag......
No idea re revenues simply looking at this in the round.
If you normally carry 30 pax but end up carrying 35 by virtue of this type of deal it must assist mitigating cots.
was merely re-quoting local rag......
No idea re revenues simply looking at this in the round.
If you normally carry 30 pax but end up carrying 35 by virtue of this type of deal it must assist mitigating cots.
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What will be interesting will be the impact of the new flybe board and the on- going review. My bet is that a significant portion of the LGW routes will go sooner rather than at the end of the winter schedule as previously announced. There is not a great deal of point in operating loss making routes if profitability is a goal.
Over the last 12 months, I've found that Flybe have been quite aggressive in cancelling flights a few weeks in advance, presumably because someone in revenue management decided in advance the flight would not be profitable (have looked at CAA stats to confirm likelihood of my suspicions).
Satisfies EU261 but does not satisfy passengeras with cancelled flight who are told there is no reroute possibility and their only option is a refund !
I know budget holiday charters have merged 2 flights into 1 in the past, but is this something new specifically to Flybe in the last year or is this long established practice ?
The only times I've seen this regularly in the past with scheduled carriers has been with airlines that are under significant stress over financial stability and have a strong need for cash, often ending up suspending all flying...
Satisfies EU261 but does not satisfy passengeras with cancelled flight who are told there is no reroute possibility and their only option is a refund !
I know budget holiday charters have merged 2 flights into 1 in the past, but is this something new specifically to Flybe in the last year or is this long established practice ?
The only times I've seen this regularly in the past with scheduled carriers has been with airlines that are under significant stress over financial stability and have a strong need for cash, often ending up suspending all flying...
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Flybe cancelling flights at short notice.
One of the reasons that ive gone from using Flybe 2 or 3 times per year to never trusting them enough to ever book a flight with them again.
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Recently tried out this new Jet service to GCI. Have Flybe squandered the experience on this aircraft or is it normal for the E175, namely
1. Seats out of line with the windows so you have to crane your neck
2. Very tight seat pitch
3. Applying very stringent weight and balance so that people are forcibly sat together leaving rows empty. Does position of passengers really affect operation?
Can officianados shed any light re the Embrear and Flybe?
1. Seats out of line with the windows so you have to crane your neck
2. Very tight seat pitch
3. Applying very stringent weight and balance so that people are forcibly sat together leaving rows empty. Does position of passengers really affect operation?
Can officianados shed any light re the Embrear and Flybe?
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The seats out of line with the windows is probably due to an extra row of seats compared to most E175's, I believe the E195's also have this problem in some places. The seats and seat pitch should be the same 30' it is in the E195's which despite being 6ft tall I've always found acceptable even on Flybe's longer sectors.
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The seats out of line with the windows is probably due to an extra row of seats compared to most E175's, I believe the E195's also have this problem in some places. The seats and seat pitch should be the same 30' it is in the E195's which despite being 6ft tall I've always found acceptable even on Flybe's longer sectors.
Not sure if it has to do with weight and balance - could just as well have to do with educating passengers to fork out some money and pay for an advance seat reservation....
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Originally Posted by virginblue
]Not sure if it has to do with weight and balance - could just as well have to do with educating passengers to fork out some money and pay for an advance seat reservation....
Flybe have a big banner on the website homepage saying flights can now be booked until 15 July 2014
I'm aware that there's a CEO-driven significant review of the business going on at the moment which presumably will lead to various changes in the airline. I'm also aware that Flybe have a reputation of cancelling unprofitable flights with only a few weeks notice - while legal according to EU261, this does not make for a happy passenger when he/she has other arrangements that depend on a particular flight operating.
Right now, a lot of the S14 schedule looks to be an exact copy of the S13 schedule. I'm suspicious that there is almost no variation in S14 to handle cases where a route performed above or below expectations in S13
Can someone *knowledgeable* suggest when it's safe to book flights in the expectation that network and schedule planning has stabilised ? I'm guessing by early December plans for summer 2014 should be moderately stable, but it would be helpful to have input from someone whose opinion is based on more than just a finger in the air.
I'm aware that there's a CEO-driven significant review of the business going on at the moment which presumably will lead to various changes in the airline. I'm also aware that Flybe have a reputation of cancelling unprofitable flights with only a few weeks notice - while legal according to EU261, this does not make for a happy passenger when he/she has other arrangements that depend on a particular flight operating.
Right now, a lot of the S14 schedule looks to be an exact copy of the S13 schedule. I'm suspicious that there is almost no variation in S14 to handle cases where a route performed above or below expectations in S13
Can someone *knowledgeable* suggest when it's safe to book flights in the expectation that network and schedule planning has stabilised ? I'm guessing by early December plans for summer 2014 should be moderately stable, but it would be helpful to have input from someone whose opinion is based on more than just a finger in the air.
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Actually it seems possible to book August 2014 too. They must be really in need of revenue. The problem is that far out it is impossible to guarantee schedules and perhaps this is what causes the frequent flight time changes with Flybe which I am also pis*ed off with. I now also do not book them but it's more to do with delays rather than flight cancelations.
Summer 2014 seems identical to Summer 2013 for SOU, daily on NTE, EGC AGP, ALC from July 7th and 5 or 6 weekly on PMI, FAO.
Kind of giving Ryanair a head start on what to plan from BOH though.
Summer 2014 seems identical to Summer 2013 for SOU, daily on NTE, EGC AGP, ALC from July 7th and 5 or 6 weekly on PMI, FAO.
Kind of giving Ryanair a head start on what to plan from BOH though.
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