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I've just printed out my boarding pass for a flight tomorrow from East Midlands to Paris CDG and was not asked for any Advanced Passenger Information. In fact the page stated that API was not required.
As I was at the airport this morning I thought I'd check with the check-in desk and he thought it odd but as I had a passport and boarding card not to worry.
Are flights to Paris exempt from API for some reason ?
Anyone know ?
As I was at the airport this morning I thought I'd check with the check-in desk and he thought it odd but as I had a passport and boarding card not to worry.
Are flights to Paris exempt from API for some reason ?
Anyone know ?
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Thanks for the reply hampshireandy and you are quite correct.
The reason I've always been asked in the past is that I've always booked a return back into the UK. The UK also require API.
Enjoyed the Dash 8 by the way.
The reason I've always been asked in the past is that I've always booked a return back into the UK. The UK also require API.
Enjoyed the Dash 8 by the way.
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Give it a break.
Flybe is going through a massive restructuring plan. The difficult decisions they are and will make are for the greater good of the airline, to enable it to return to profitability and to enable it to drive forward in the future as a much more stable, reliable and respectable airline. Give it a chance, things don't change overnight. Comments like that are not nice for anyone connected to the airline, or the airline itself for when potential passengers see such stupid comments and are put off booking.
The airline has plenty of cash available to see it through this difficult period. It's nowhere near over yet. Details of base closures, further potential job losses or fleet changes are not known, why bother speculating, just wait and see what happens.
Flybe is going through a massive restructuring plan. The difficult decisions they are and will make are for the greater good of the airline, to enable it to return to profitability and to enable it to drive forward in the future as a much more stable, reliable and respectable airline. Give it a chance, things don't change overnight. Comments like that are not nice for anyone connected to the airline, or the airline itself for when potential passengers see such stupid comments and are put off booking.
The airline has plenty of cash available to see it through this difficult period. It's nowhere near over yet. Details of base closures, further potential job losses or fleet changes are not known, why bother speculating, just wait and see what happens.
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People gave Aer Arann a lot of flack when it started to go up the swanney, and it would have been a lot harder for them, but they recovered slowly. Flybe is more likely to come out of the dark with all guns blazing... Now if only they'd get their flights to run on time, they may have more custom.
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I was under the impression that this was a forum where one could discuss airlines, ask questions, get answers & make relevant points.
You, apparently are not of the same opinion !
Supposing that my opinion might JUST have some merit & be supported by facts, events , opinions & fears of staff who work for Flybe,then I have no intention of being silenced by you & told that I am killing off Flybe singlhandedly by making those points & asking relevant questions.
Certainly, only time will tell if Flybe will survive....& I genuinely hope they do. But, there IS a large question mark over what will happen to individual bases & the relevant crews; & to the Company itself.
To take both Guernsey & Jersey; From April next year they WILL lose their Gatwick flights & there is very little prospect of the Embraers being put unto the Southampton run. &, even if there was, what would then happen to the Dash 8 crews? So, something has got to give there !
This IS, therefore, a legitimate line of questioning. I hardly think that by raising it I am frightening off potential customers to the extent that the airline will collapse. Rather, is it not the case that Flybe themselves are frightening them off by removing the Gatwick flights ? Does this not indicate a pretty dire state of affairs & deter would be customers?
They are certainly frightening their own employees by doing this ! Furthermore, the employees can hardly have too much confidence in the Management restructuring of the airline which is being carried out by...? The same Management who got the airline into this position in the first place !
They surely cannot obtain much reassurance that the Management are on the right track when they see the Company announce, first - that they will NOT use the Embraer on Guernsey to Gatwick; then, that they will; &, then, two months later - that the route will be abandoned. Pretty good joined up thinking & decision making there !
&, what of Gatwick itself?
One of the Company's busiest & most important destinations sold for £20m. They MUST have been pretty desperate to get their hands on the cash !
I know that some of this is controversial & will only be determined in the fullness of time. But, in the meantime there are a lot of employees asking these very questions & wondering whether the Management has the ability to arrive at the correct answers.
They hope that they do....& so do I. But I am not going to avoid asking questions & making relevant points because you don't like it.
I was under the impression that this was a forum where one could discuss airlines, ask questions, get answers & make relevant points.
You, apparently are not of the same opinion !
Supposing that my opinion might JUST have some merit & be supported by facts, events , opinions & fears of staff who work for Flybe,then I have no intention of being silenced by you & told that I am killing off Flybe singlhandedly by making those points & asking relevant questions.
Certainly, only time will tell if Flybe will survive....& I genuinely hope they do. But, there IS a large question mark over what will happen to individual bases & the relevant crews; & to the Company itself.
To take both Guernsey & Jersey; From April next year they WILL lose their Gatwick flights & there is very little prospect of the Embraers being put unto the Southampton run. &, even if there was, what would then happen to the Dash 8 crews? So, something has got to give there !
This IS, therefore, a legitimate line of questioning. I hardly think that by raising it I am frightening off potential customers to the extent that the airline will collapse. Rather, is it not the case that Flybe themselves are frightening them off by removing the Gatwick flights ? Does this not indicate a pretty dire state of affairs & deter would be customers?
They are certainly frightening their own employees by doing this ! Furthermore, the employees can hardly have too much confidence in the Management restructuring of the airline which is being carried out by...? The same Management who got the airline into this position in the first place !
They surely cannot obtain much reassurance that the Management are on the right track when they see the Company announce, first - that they will NOT use the Embraer on Guernsey to Gatwick; then, that they will; &, then, two months later - that the route will be abandoned. Pretty good joined up thinking & decision making there !
&, what of Gatwick itself?
One of the Company's busiest & most important destinations sold for £20m. They MUST have been pretty desperate to get their hands on the cash !
I know that some of this is controversial & will only be determined in the fullness of time. But, in the meantime there are a lot of employees asking these very questions & wondering whether the Management has the ability to arrive at the correct answers.
They hope that they do....& so do I. But I am not going to avoid asking questions & making relevant points because you don't like it.
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Don't think LGW could reasonably fit in Flybe's future- it can fill itself with A320s and B737s and bigger serving London high density movements. No more a place for regional jets and turboprops in future than LHR.
I would like to see Flybe have London presence for Channel Island and regional routes and they could do worse than look at LTN, STN or SEN - or even being whacky OXF.
But of they have a future ( and I'm not sure) the focus must be on EXT, NWI, SOU etc. Even BHX and MAN are tricky though there is a niche on business intense low capacity routes.
The future is London Airways, Orange and Harps I am afraid- the others must tread vey carefully.
I would like to see Flybe have London presence for Channel Island and regional routes and they could do worse than look at LTN, STN or SEN - or even being whacky OXF.
But of they have a future ( and I'm not sure) the focus must be on EXT, NWI, SOU etc. Even BHX and MAN are tricky though there is a niche on business intense low capacity routes.
The future is London Airways, Orange and Harps I am afraid- the others must tread vey carefully.
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To take both Guernsey & Jersey; From April next year they WILL lose their Gatwick flights & there is very little prospect of the Embraers being put unto the Southampton run. &, even if there was, what would then happen to the Dash 8 crews? So, something has got to give there !
I agree that the Embraer is unlikely on the CI to SOU route but if it did happen and they based an Embraer locally then the local CI crews would be type rated on the Embraer.
I think you may be looking at the sale of Gatwick slots from a narrow viewpoint.
As an analogy, think of Flybe and Gatwick as 2 neighbours each living in a really nasty tower block that has been left to rot for years. Gatwick had a few hard times and has borrowed some money from Flybe over the years, promising to pay it back. One Saturday,Gatwick bought a lottery ticket, all the numbers came up and Gatwick is now rich.Gatwick no longer cares a damb about their neighbour Flybe. Gatwick pays the IOUs to Flybe, buys a mansion in a nice area and tells Flybe it is no longer a friend and not welcome at Gatwick's new mansion. Flybe is not happy but cannot do anything about it except get on with life.
The £20m represents the IOUs and the new landing fees represents Gatwivk telling Flybe to p*ss off.
I doubt Flybe wanted to cash in the slots but Gatwick's landing fees meant it was a case of selling up instead of incurring even more long term losses.
As an analogy, think of Flybe and Gatwick as 2 neighbours each living in a really nasty tower block that has been left to rot for years. Gatwick had a few hard times and has borrowed some money from Flybe over the years, promising to pay it back. One Saturday,Gatwick bought a lottery ticket, all the numbers came up and Gatwick is now rich.Gatwick no longer cares a damb about their neighbour Flybe. Gatwick pays the IOUs to Flybe, buys a mansion in a nice area and tells Flybe it is no longer a friend and not welcome at Gatwick's new mansion. Flybe is not happy but cannot do anything about it except get on with life.
The £20m represents the IOUs and the new landing fees represents Gatwivk telling Flybe to p*ss off.
I doubt Flybe wanted to cash in the slots but Gatwick's landing fees meant it was a case of selling up instead of incurring even more long term losses.
Ut Sementem Feeceris
Or it's more a case of being asset rich and cash poor. Like a spinster who lives in a 5 bedroom house in Knightsbridge which she bought in 1950 for £1000 and it's now worth £2.5 million - but she can't afford to pay all,the bills to run it. But she could sell it, scale down and live very comfortably.
Flybe have just realised their asset, they're going to scale down (cheaper airports) - but I'm not sure it will make life more comfortable in the long run. They still have all the other bills to pay - just the rent is slightly reduced.....it's a catch 22. You need to be in the places people want to go to/from to generate the revenue but it's expensive to be there - no different to being on Bond Street in London really. So you have to go high-price niche or "stack'em'high, sell'em'cheap". Which is Flybe? - now or in the future.
Tough times.
Flybe have just realised their asset, they're going to scale down (cheaper airports) - but I'm not sure it will make life more comfortable in the long run. They still have all the other bills to pay - just the rent is slightly reduced.....it's a catch 22. You need to be in the places people want to go to/from to generate the revenue but it's expensive to be there - no different to being on Bond Street in London really. So you have to go high-price niche or "stack'em'high, sell'em'cheap". Which is Flybe? - now or in the future.
Tough times.
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MAG might well welcome flyBE to Stansted. Southend is keen to diversify from EZY and RE operations. Oxford is desperate for successful services. Cambridge is seeking operators. If flyBE wanted to take a punt then there are four airports which would welcome them with open arms and charge them considerably less than LGW........
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Barling, of those STN is the only realistic option for a replication of the LGW operation but as yet there are is little indication it would happen. I think the routes from the north and probably NQY would do OK, but JER & GCI at high frequency would be dead in the water - BA have good frequency to a more convenient airport with connections available, SI have the premium City pax and EZY the price sensitive JER-based pax and a chunk of the leisure pax north of the Thames. Of course, if MAG did manage to sign up Emirates or equivalent for STN the story might be slightly different, but I couldn't ever see more than a couple of flights per day. So, aside from the limited LTN operation, flybe in London would seem finished.
CBG and OXF would only ever by niche outposts serving a local community on the basic AMS/EDI type runs
CBG and OXF would only ever by niche outposts serving a local community on the basic AMS/EDI type runs
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Yes, you're probably right. Maybe a handful of routes from STN and SEN might be viable for them, but no replication of their LGW operation seems possible in the (greater) London area so maybe they will go back to their roots as 22/04 suggested and concentrate on Exeter, NWI, SOU and BHX...?
Spandex - after Gatwick hiked up the charges, Flybe appealed to the CAA as economic regulator to do something about the charges. The CAA in giving their formal opinion basically said it was a shame for Flybe but the CAA couldn't / wouldn't do anything about it. Once the CAA's written and final decision was announced on 17 January 2013, it was inevitable that Flybe had to do something more radical. BA selling cheaper tickets at Gatwick for those without hold baggage earlier this year made Flybe's life even harder.
Respect to Flybe management- they did not give up on Gatwick slots without a fight, but the battle was ultimately lost.
On a related note, the share price is back down at the level before rumours about the Gatwick slot sale began circulating (about 4 weeks before the formal announcement with Easyjet). Is there some more bad news waiting to come out about Flybe ?
Respect to Flybe management- they did not give up on Gatwick slots without a fight, but the battle was ultimately lost.
On a related note, the share price is back down at the level before rumours about the Gatwick slot sale began circulating (about 4 weeks before the formal announcement with Easyjet). Is there some more bad news waiting to come out about Flybe ?
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