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It has been showing in the booking engine since at least 27/7/12 for EDI-SOU (three daily in the week) with a start date of 1st October.
Whether that happens I suppose will depend on deliveries.
Pete
It has been showing in the booking engine since at least 27/7/12 for EDI-SOU (three daily in the week) with a start date of 1st October.
Whether that happens I suppose will depend on deliveries.
Pete
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Hampshire Andy
I would take anything JSTR says with a pich of salt! I understand he works for Eastern? So is he really going to have any commercially sensitive info? Any info he has is a) gossip or b) second hand info at best....
JSTR - would you like to declare your sources?
Not to say it isn't true I have heard rumours of cuts but no confirmed detail or source just crewroom gossip.
JSTR - would you like to declare your sources?
Not to say it isn't true I have heard rumours of cuts but no confirmed detail or source just crewroom gossip.
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Re the Q400 is this the reason for the BHX base operating today as: -
5 x 195
2 x 175
3 x Q400
I can't remember so few Q400's for many a long day at BHX.
Something happened to a 175 today as well with the BHX-GLA operating on schedule but the return was cancelled and the aircraft positioned back to BHX lunchtime to then operate a Q400 flight to Inverness.
Another busy day in flybeland.
Pete
Just noted the 175 was pinched to operate GLA-MAN-GLA and I assume the BHX pax were shunted onto the lunchtime flight.
Re the Q400 is this the reason for the BHX base operating today as: -
5 x 195
2 x 175
3 x Q400
I can't remember so few Q400's for many a long day at BHX.
Something happened to a 175 today as well with the BHX-GLA operating on schedule but the return was cancelled and the aircraft positioned back to BHX lunchtime to then operate a Q400 flight to Inverness.
Another busy day in flybeland.
Pete
Just noted the 175 was pinched to operate GLA-MAN-GLA and I assume the BHX pax were shunted onto the lunchtime flight.
Last edited by OltonPete; 20th Aug 2012 at 17:34. Reason: added info
Yes. Dash tail strike in Rennes.
Out for a while I believe.
seems they are having to consulte with Bombardier on getting it back to the UK.
Out for a while I believe.
seems they are having to consulte with Bombardier on getting it back to the UK.
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2 chances of Flybe operating scheduled services into LHR slim and none. If you can't make money domestic with LGW you have no chance at LHR.
Now operating as a wet lease for Virgin.....possibly however I thought that was sorted with an airbus?
Now operating as a wet lease for Virgin.....possibly however I thought that was sorted with an airbus?
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The Virgin domestic services will be run on whatever Branson can get his hands on at the best possible price (but not a prop, London pax hate those). However, as always the problem will be, who makes the money? Any feeder service being ticketed by the long haul operator will never make any cash. I believe the old BA-CityExpress/BAconnect set up used to go like this: Ticket (for instance) Aberdeen to LA Via LHR, Total distance about 5800 miles, ticket cost, one way, say 300 pounds for arguement's sake. But, distance from ABZ to LHR is about 400 miles which is about 7% ish. So BA hand over to Cityexpress/BAconnect 40ish quid for their share of the journey (full service remember), no wonder they never made any geld.
I can't believe it would be any different under Virgin but it makes sense that Branson will use someone else on a wet lease for the first few years.
I can't believe it would be any different under Virgin but it makes sense that Branson will use someone else on a wet lease for the first few years.
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Probably worth clarifying that Flybe have only been flying into LHR recently as part of the Brussels Airlines wet lease.
It's a Brussels Airlines flight which operates into LHR. It just so happens that Brussels Airlines use the Flybe Q400 in Brussels Airlines livery operated by Flybe crew.
It's a Brussels Airlines flight which operates into LHR. It just so happens that Brussels Airlines use the Flybe Q400 in Brussels Airlines livery operated by Flybe crew.
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The Virgin domestic services will be run on whatever Branson can get his hands on at the best possible price (but not a prop, London pax hate those). However, as always the problem will be, who makes the money? Any feeder service being ticketed by the long haul operator will never make any cash. I believe the old BA-CityExpress/BAconnect set up used to go like this: Ticket (for instance) Aberdeen to LA Via LHR, Total distance about 5800 miles, ticket cost, one way, say 300 pounds for arguement's sake. But, distance from ABZ to LHR is about 400 miles which is about 7% ish. So BA hand over to Cityexpress/BAconnect 40ish quid for their share of the journey (full service remember), no wonder they never made any geld.
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Burpbot,
As Boing 7117 confirms I was talking about flybe selling seats and actually operating the Flybe 'product' into LHR. I am aware of the crews doing the Brusssels Airlines wet lease into LHR would love a shot at that although can't see it happening.
Cornish Simon...I would love an airbus TR but realise we have none. Was purely posing the question is there a signed airbus contract somewhere for an operator to do the virgin work or will they give airlines the opportunity to bid for it?
Surely the ejet is perfect size wise? Could then expand the agreement if virgin got the edi abz routes and have the short haul network from one provider with a mixture of 175 and 195 to suit demand. Not sure if BA would have a say in it though can they with just 15%??? Can't see WW would be too happy Flybe operating for Virgin.
Anyway just posing the questions for a debate.......
As Boing 7117 confirms I was talking about flybe selling seats and actually operating the Flybe 'product' into LHR. I am aware of the crews doing the Brusssels Airlines wet lease into LHR would love a shot at that although can't see it happening.
Cornish Simon...I would love an airbus TR but realise we have none. Was purely posing the question is there a signed airbus contract somewhere for an operator to do the virgin work or will they give airlines the opportunity to bid for it?
Surely the ejet is perfect size wise? Could then expand the agreement if virgin got the edi abz routes and have the short haul network from one provider with a mixture of 175 and 195 to suit demand. Not sure if BA would have a say in it though can they with just 15%??? Can't see WW would be too happy Flybe operating for Virgin.
Anyway just posing the questions for a debate.......
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Mav, you said Flybe wouldn't operate into lhr, I pointed out they do. Welcome aboard this SN brussels flight operated today by Flybe ☺So yes Flybe do operate into lhr. Although do agree cant see it ever happening on a pure Flybe service! As for virgin, wingo I agree with your logic however would bet BA would see it as taking premium traffic away from premium long haul routes so not like it. In the same way long haul and euro routes were always made "less competitive" from Bhx and man. Leading to a ten year withdrawal from the regions. Shame as it would be a nice earner for Flybe.
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I don't think BA would have much interest in who operated the flights for VS, Flybe or not. And more importantly, BA have no representation on the BE board. As the board has an obligation to try and maximise returns for share holders, they surely wouldn't turn down potential revenue incase the upset a minor shareholder.
This could work if both airlines sold tickets on a code-share basis. Or if Branson pays for 50% of the seats with an option on more, and FlyBe operate the service and sell the rest.....
Just a thought, but would it fly?
Just a thought, but would it fly?